Local Dev Environments for Dummies

hi everybody okay welcome to MidCamp your

first session right yeah okay so I'm

Chris Urban this is Jeff Geerling right

here he and I work at Acquia you're in a

local development for dummies this is a

session we kind of threw together and

we're presenting it for the first time

so we'll appreciate feedback in

questions at the end of our presentation

all right so let us take a minute and

introduce ourselves

Jeff go first I'm from st. Louis and in

st. Louis I am one of the many code

Tomita organizers I started using Drupal

in 2008 so it's been 10 years now and

everything has changed so much since

then

so this is from probably five or six

years ago on I've been deeply involved

in local development environment and

stuff and Acquia that I am billable for

I do a lot of work around local

development environments and team

team-based development things like that

so that's kind of my background on this

session

I'm the counterpart to Jeff not nearly

as awesome as him but I'm from the

project management side it's so

different different awesome I'm one of

the co-organizers of Drupal Delphia

which is a little camp in Philadelphia

which were actually still opening

accepting sessions today so if you have

any interest in presenting talk to me

Edwards as a project management guy I'm

sure a nerd by default and I'm also a

little bit I let's say I used to be a

developer I dabble in it a little bit so

I have a an interest in this as well

just because one of the questions that

often comes up at camps is what do you

use what do you do and it was a time out

and so that's why we that's where we

started this session so questions why

are you here you want something to do

before lunch you think that what was my

joke you heard about composer but you're

telling death your outrigger is stuck in

the lagoon okay no bad jokes there

realizes your Drupal developer you know

you should be deploying at the sakoda

production but you don't have a look

over where you feel confident and it

says so many choices out there and you

don't know where to start and doctorate

baker and I know mine so that's really

why you're here right ok so let's talk

first before we answer that question who

are we because the question you can only

answer what should you be using for your

local Drupal environment

it depends what do you do are you a

developer are you a site builder are you

working by yourself are you working with

a team are you on Windows are you on Mac

where are you so to answer that question

you may have seen we put out on Twitter

a couple weeks ago a survey and this

survey is to find out what you use for

your environment with a couple of other

anonymous questions like where are you

located what do you do

who do you work with that URL so works

and we're going to continue taking

responses up to Drupal con but for all

intents and purposes this is really the

first time we're releasing all of this

info

and this will answer the question who

you are and that will let us give you

some direction about what we think are

some good development scenarios for you

so first thing we're going to do is go

through some of the results take a

couple minutes here so be prepared for

her awesome statistics worksite to 744 I

can't keep up with this

we're up to over 700 submissions from

over 60 countries which is fantastic

we've got representation from every

continent the last one that it's not

labeled as Africa

obviously dominated by the United States

and Europe I kind of expected that I

didn't expect to get a good

representative sample from other

countries so we're very pleased by that

aside from the US because otherwise the

skew of the truck gets out of whack you

can kind of see where we're getting

survey results from so a pretty decent

scattering around and that's only in two

weeks without the US the top ten again

not surprising english-speaking

countries Ireland in the United Kingdom

ooh and blanked out again followed by

the rest of the most populated Jirka

European countries and Canada they make

up the top ten and like I said the list

keeps going and going going if you're

interested in details later let me know

and I can tell you within the United

States again most popular states kind of

where you expect everybody to be all the

way down to where I'm from Pennsylvania

and

where is there even a little bit you're

a little ahead of me so again no

surprise there so one of the questions

we asked was well what kind of types of

projects are you working on Drupal 8

mostly dribble a little seven mostly

seven little six and this kind of breaks

it out I'm in really intrigued by the

most by these do the highest proportion

of all eight projects in Asia and

Oceania Oceania is strangling New

Zealand all those little Philippines all

that stuff out there that Asia includes

India but within the US and Europe this

is a really nice number this is telling

me that we have I think was it eighty

percent ninety or no but I can't see my

speaker notes eighty or ninety percent

is Drupal eight solidly mostly are all

Drupal eight which is great news because

we've heard before about this low

adoption Ranger blade this is Tony

that's not exactly sure there are still

room for improvement

but the majority of the fend that we're

spending is on your plate and you'll see

that one outlier in red over there is

the one guy that's working on Drupal 6

the other question we had was about the

size of the Drupal team that this is a

tricky question because I asked about

the number of developers that Drupal

meaning you you and somebody you and a

bunch of others are you and a whole

Drupal army and again the vast majority

is you work in teams of five or less

those are the two blue colors and then

they're scattering goes all the way out

to 50-plus and there's a handful not

insignificant but a handful that are in

those large large teams but

predominantly this kind of reinforces

the notion that this this question is

really hitting a nerve because these are

folks that are working with maybe one

other person and those are the two

that's your very small feedback loop for

trying and testing new things out so

with this survey hopefully you will

learn some other tools that you may not

be aware of reinforce the decisions

you've made maybe encourage you to try

something else

other dev team this is to kind of cover

well maybe I work in a small group in a

smaller agency I cannot imagine to

Drupal developers maybe a front-end or

maybe a JavaScript specialist maybe

there's a DBA because there's a guy that

does that man I don't know but this kind

of answers that question and the black

is none so this really for me it

reinforces yeah they are predominantly

solo or pairs that are working in Drupal

you want to talk about this one is my

favorite yeah it's it's an interesting

because I know in the past the few there

haven't been a whole lot of these kind

of surveys which is kind of sad because

it's hard to see a historical data but I

I remember when phpstorm with something

that like the only people that would

ever use it are people that came from

like Java to PHP and back five six years

ago that was a very small number of

people but ever since Drupal 8 came out

and Drupal 8 is based on symphony and

has a lot more components that require

more of an IDE to build things really

easily I mean all the other tools can

work with it great the PHP storm was

like setup for it and got tons of uptake

so it's the clear victor at this point

if you're looking for a good development

tool for for Drupal 8 code but it's

sublime text which has been super

popular for years is still kind of

holding its ground that seems to be

slowly withering down from the next

three mature digital studio code then

and Adam a bunch of other tools out

there it's it's interesting a lot of

developers will just applying the tool

learn it and then use it for life

basically so you know there's people

using using BBEdit

and some other tools which are there

still updated they're still valid but

they don't have a lot of the

cutting-edge things that made them

amazing back when they first came out

yeah there was one other interesting

thing here as well it we correlated this

back to the team size and location and

projects types and overwhelmingly

obviously you see Europe at 73% but the

phpstorm users overwhelming the one and

two percent groups so that is even more

like the redefining that these guys have

I don't call it monopoly but a pretty

pretty strong grip on it the larger

teams other ones that are using that

second tier sublime vim Visual Studio

and

a notepad and on those are like the

outliers are also predominantly Europe

Oceania

and Asia I guess they you know you like

writing in a trouble

QA methodology so now this is a first of

a couple questions that we left the

other open answers aloud and actually

this is not showing my the two answers

at the bottom which are luck slash wing

slash prayer and Wraiths tests they're

down at the long tail at the end but if

you can't read those or read this down

because this is worth mentioning the

number one is developer does own tests

far and away and that is also

overwhelmingly it's overwhelmingly

popular across the board the next group

down which is peer review the architect

does code review or you rely on a QA

team that's generally consistent Asia

much much higher than the rest on those

categories and then the rest is filled

in by fill in the blanks and those

really kind of run the run the gamut

automated testing and linting are at the

top continuous integration tools PHP

code sniffer client reviews so you're

letting your customer do your QA

brilliant the hat tests PHP unit tests

code Stander's Soner cube circle CI PHP

mess detector and BLT and then like I

mentioned at the end Wraith and luck

winged prayer my they quote dumb luck

just wing it let's do it live ship it if

it works

it's awesome it compiles it compiles

ship it you want to talk about this one

yeah so that I actually wrote a blog

post on this topic a couple years ago

I'm talking about vagrant in particular

but what some people don't realize

getting into the Drupal community

especially if you've been at a shop that

didn't do Drupal before is getting into

it or something or a lot of PHP link or

a lot of PHP projects the culture is

incredibly focused on Mac Linux UNIX II

Linux II based environments and this

survey kind of just reinforces that

there's there's been more more and more

uptake of Windows 10 as Windows 10 now

has the windows subsystem for Linux

which really makes Windows 10 actually

like usable with some of the tools that

are required to do moderate development

but like there's still a lot of people

using Windows 7 Windows 8 and things

like that which are harder but the point

that I had in my blog post was you know

it's it's an uphill battle when you're

not using a Mac or Linux computer

operating system just because everyone

else doesn't so you're going to have to

find out all your own problems and

research all their own solutions and

you know I meant what I can but I don't

use Windows daily so and there's very

few people who are like me who also have

a Windows laptop even to test something

out for you so just so one note the

scale across the bottom is like a total

percentage because these were move one

or more choices so you could pick let's

say all three of the top three but this

should give you some relative scale that

just between Mac and Linux how how much

more room Windows 10 has to grow or

hopefully stay put but the windows 7 5

lines 6 lines down that is really

trailing off which is for us this is a

great sigh of relief I was also

surprised that arch is so small because

the arch users are so vocal I won't say

annoying but so tell me how you feel

about fashion ok all right so now next

to is the same grouping but now broken

out by reaching and then by project type

so that you can kind of see Mac is kind

of evenly spread out it's evenly popular

whereas let's say looking at Windows 10

this is much more popular in africa and

oceania

way out of proportion if you look at the

purple purple there very even that as

opposed to this which is kind of

representative of its goal what's the

percentage mean its total like the

number of respondents who picked it but

it's the aggregate I wanted to divide to

show a representation like that

so if if I had a thousand submissions

that I got a thousand people responding

that was a hundred so basically four

times the population yeah

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it's the scale of the scale of the color

bands that's what I'm trying to convey

yeah yeah right so then my project

here's what's interesting is you see

overwhelmingly for mostly Interpol and

again all Drupal but then you come down

here and you see like Linux other and

windows nobody's doing Drupal seven

they're still doing seven not as much

eat right so it's not you didn't that's

that's the point

yeah so this will be the same thing so

this is the other question and this was

a little confusing I think now going

back I would probably rewrite this a

little bit different of the screen went

down ago so we asked what do you use for

your local dev technology and the

question really was did it again

it was a couple of questions up front

and then there's another question where

I give the sample solutions we're trying

to keep it broad the question is we

provided where the answers we provided

were I don't know custom docker custom

vagrant or the local operating system so

yeah

okay sorry so we just asked custom

docker custom vagrant and I think that

was it the rest of the suggestions were

this is the right one right yeah I think

I think we had a list of like the ones

that are capitalized yeah we're in our

list the other ones were right and

answers maybe yes that's it that's right

so for example I don't know that we

don't remember that we had Vlad or

ballet or lagoon that we had eager and

homebrew and Albert or docks all this

was not in our list this is a pure

in-depth estoppel and Noah kill box and

Drupal genome but again this this is the

this is the money slide right here just

to see what everybody was responding the

top six custom vaguer and custom docker

dev desktop MAMP

surprise drupal vm and Lando Cowboys

those are solving solutions that are

pretty is using then there's like the

middle group and then there's a lot of

there's a lot more outliers anything

that I had like just one response were

like you know I wouldn't fit on the side

basically I try to consolidate as much

as as we could and I think this one we

break out also yeah by region and then

by project also because this is

interesting for example nobody's using

out where you're for anything other than

so for anything other than e no surprise

this one is the regional one that's the

regional one yeah I'm gonna save that oh

right

so nobody outside the u.s. is using

outrigger or a D dev or what was the

other one that was very heavy yeah yeah

and the other ones are pretty much

uniformly scattered across all regions

to get to the projects I should be the

next one there we go

so solid the mostly drew blade some

Drupal 7 those are the ones that are

filling in the top three the docker

lando and Drupal VM the proportion again

for dock saw and D dev and he doctored

for pupil and anchor really and

surprising how much there is and in

those groups okay now just to know I've

got like there was an 8 least another

half dozen slides that Jeff and I

decided forget it because it's just way

too many numbers and pretty colors they

really get into the hardcore statistics

nitty gritty if you've got questions or

just curious want to love me now happy

to answer and pull other slides to show

you after the session but we want to

make sure I have enough time to talk the

real meat and potatoes which is okay

let's now take what we've learned and

turn it into for ten people asking the

question what should I do for my local

development environment so well we've

come up with

all right I can do it you can do yeah

what I what I think our main goal of

this session was like in 2018 if you're

a certain type of person developer site

builder or something what is the best

option and we want to try to give that

to you so that you can go there and

instead of spending like

like I do sometimes hours in a day

trying lie about seven or eight

different solutions completely blowing

up your computer and then trying to get

back to a fresh state so you can try

another few solutions then at the end of

it like Chris mentioned earlier you're

totally confused and you hate your ball

all of a sudden so we came up with these

four personas that I think cover a

pretty wide variety of people that I

interact with at least uncover a lot of

the people that we saw in those slides

and the you know the one the two person

teams and that kind of thing and just

running through quick some of these are

a little controversial if you're another

person who develops a local development

environment but for the site builder

persona this is like somebody who puts

together a Drupal website or might build

some different brochure type sites or

things like that or even like a person

like Chris sometimes when he's working

on evaluating a project or something he

just needs a Drupal site running on his

laptop and he wants to do some things or

play around or something like that or

it's like Drupal filled up here drupal

Zofia whatever that thing is like if you

need to do some work on it he might need

running on this on his desk or on its

laptop but he doesn't necessarily want

to spend a lot of time customizing and

tweaking it making it high performance

and all that and the recommendation we

have is aquatab desktop which is Mike

man or WAMP but it it basically gets you

a local environment and the Drupal site

on your computer with like a few button

clicks which is really helpful if you're

trying to get something up and running

quicker if it's the first time you're

ever using Drupal or if you're a little

more adventurous like if you're like

Chris and you have a little more

technical knowledge and you want to get

a little deeper into it you can try out

something like Doc cell or Orlando or

something like that

follow the getting started guide and go

through it see see if it's I mean some

of those tools have more flexibility and

and might have some features you need so

one caveat all be clear yes we are both

from aqua and now I'm saying how could

that that's not you you know obviously

inclined to be cynical and conspiracy

theorist and say oh this is a secret

advertisement to get you to download

something that's free okay you know no

it's there the rubric we're using is to

figure out something that someone

without let's say command-line

experience can go download click a

couple things and get up and running as

easy as possible that was for me the

goal knowing a little bit as dangerous

knowing more is even more dangerous the

restriction here is really and this kind

of narrows the field almost

automatically we expect that there'll be

more work coming out of Cal bucks and

probably other outfits to make it more

UI friendly but right now if you give me

a laptop and I have to show somebody how

to put together a site give them at your

pool 101 to work that's what I would do

I'd probably do lando or Docs all or

dead that sound and in the old days I

would recommend like mam or zamp or

something like that but the big

difference is those tools you install it

and then you have to create a database

and then you have to download drupal's

codebase and you have to follow all

these instructions with dev desktop if

you click a button and you have a Drupal

site that's that's kind of the point

yeah you with tools like that desktop if

you guys find that going to get feedback

from like integrating with other teams

being stuck to get out of there that and

to cause any problems or I know that

that's not it it has that I can't even

talk my head that a particular file but

just like a addy def file that kindly

comes along in Caribe oh I think I've

had some experience where that has

caused like something shoes and I don't

know if maybe that's some of the lack of

flexibility that you were talking about

damn using my thumb salad I know yeah I

would say that a lot of people outgrow

that desktop like a person like Chris

has outgrown it I would say and you know

it's there's a lot of things where it's

not the best solution but if you're

getting started in Drupal or if you're

if you need to get a site built quickly

something like that and you don't want

to worry about the details that's what

it's best for I want to teach my

daughter Drupal I'm gonna put aren't

that desktop first Larry play with that

man when she gets adventurous you know

put her on land oh and then hopefully in

like two weeks you'll be doing custom

and docker for a possible so he's

setting up kubernetes clusters exactly

so for a single developer like a one-man

team one one developer doing you know

front-end site building whatever but

somebody who's a little bit more coding

oriented I would say doing a custom

docker setup which is what I actually do

for most of my anything outside the box

a basically is best because a it's super

lightweight and you only have to learn

as much as you need to get something

running and be there's thousands of

guides for how to do something like you

just need a PHP and

Apache and my sequel thing and you put

them together and mash them up when

there's tons of examples out there

another option is as you get a little

bit more into it you realize oh all

these other tools do these things for me

that I have to do on my own

so another thing that I do sometimes is

I like take the wad beat containers or

take Lando or something like that kind

of strip things out that I don't need

and then make it really lightweight for

myself but the idea is that docker is

super easy to pick up and can be really

flexible and easy and if you're a single

developer you don't have to worry as

much about like making the docker

environments perfect for everyone on

your team and making configurations that

match your production perfectly and all

that like you can do those things but

it's it's easy to get started it's super

fast and it works on Windows Mac and

Linux really well nowadays and I would

say it's funny because I maintain Drupal

fan which uses vagrant but I would say

avoid if you're if you're just doing

small small projects or if you're a

single developer contracting that kind

of thing and you don't need to share

your codebase in development

environments avoid something like

vagrant just because it's I would I'd

say there's more overhead there of

having vagrant and VirtualBox running it

uses more resources on your computer so

you can't run as many virtual machines

at the same time and it's it's Ruby

there's you don't have to know Ruby but

there's a little bit of Ruby involved

and who wants to know Ruby

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we news 10

yeah then we have this is a good one to

get into a little bit because I don't

know it's in this room who here uses

Windows so we have it it's that's pretty

reflects it's a pretty normal

distribution I'd say at this time the

reason I recommend Drupal VM is because

as somebody who's made team careful vm

for years

drupal vm has gone through years and

years of making sure things work on

Windows and I literally have a laptop at

my house sitting on my desk where every

time I do a Drupal VM updates I test it

on Windows you're not going to get that

with most of the other solutions right

now

a lot of the docker solutions are

getting there but docker on Windows is a

little different and the way networking

works and Windows is a little different

and if you use the windows subsystem for

Linux it's a little different so right

now I'd say rack my our nation is Drupal

again next year that might change but

mostly it's based on the fact that your

Mac you'll actually get a little bit of

support there's a lot of other tools

I guess dev desktop to yeah but when

you're on a team the desktop can have

some issues yeah and avoid anything that

doesn't support Windows 10 basically

there's there's a lot of good tools out

there that will work on Windows but if

you look in their documentation they say

we support Mac and Linux it's like well

what about Windows it's like works there

but you're gonna find that if you open

an issue in there is you hear that was

close it didn't

yeah nobody else is using Windows with

that tool so you're not going to get any

support

and then for a team of developers doing

all Drupal 8 development using a Mac I

would recommend one of the docker tools

because they're all getting mature

enough now or you can kind of replicate

whatever environment you need to you can

share the configuration in your code

base so that everybody can get up and

running really quickly at this point in

time I would say if if the most

important thing is to make your local

environment exactly like production for

a lot of cases you might want to use

Drupal them for that because you can

tweak literally everything about it

whereas some of the docker solutions you

can tweak most things but not all things

some of them are coming up to speed

there and getting a little better but at

this time that's the only time I'd say

the Trivium is like much better than

some of the other solutions but again

anything that slows things down like

I've I've seen a lot of issues where

like two developers it works and the

third developer it doesn't because their

laptop is running whatever this thing is

or some proxy or some VPN or whatever

and vagrant seems to have more issues

more often than docker

with a more complex project like the one

that you do if you're doing all Drupal 8

and have a team of developers with front

tools and nodejs and things like that

for a team a team of Drupal developers

so let's say there's a small group we

assume that there's probably it's a

group effort to do a group

administration but if it's a larger

group let's say 25 or higher where you

may or you're likely to have so many

performing sysadmin duties is there any

difference in the recommendation that

way let's say for the for the few groups

that are bigger than 20 30 40 people or

you do have like an aqua we have three

or four people in our group that uses

these tools that do devops see things

and secend and things like that's one of

the reasons we use Drupal dam is because

we can kind of make your it towards our

needs a little bit when we need to and

make sure that it works well with tools

like BLT and Acquia cloud and all that

and some of the other tools too like

what is it Kalibak started out with more

focus on Pantheon that it's pointing

that's reach and Lando's now for pretty

much everything a lot of the tools came

out of like a dev shop needed something

for themselves and then they open

sourced it and if you have enough people

it might make sense for you to either

fork one of those projects and customize

it for your shop or to start with

something custom and really build it for

your needs there's a lot of tools a lot

of the longtail tools are things that a

def shop built for themselves and it's

really nice but it's a little bit tuned

to their needs so it's not as flexible

in general

yeah with this current slide the all

truly team

yeah yeah so in that case would you say

doctor I would say same thing it's it

really depends on how closely you want

to mirror production because like Drupal

VM can can customize all the little

fine-tune bits for every piece of your

infrastructure no Jess and the Drupal

and Postgres and nginx and varnish and

hundreds of other things there are a

couple like a I don't know I haven't

looked as much into Lando but a couple

of the other doctor solutions do have a

lot of tweaks that you can put in but if

it's not going to be the same versions

of the same same kind of infrastructure

setup as your production environment

that's the one case where I'd say doctor

might not yet be the best solution but

yeah even if you're doing decoupled

drupelets with different tech I would

say a doctor is still a good option yeah

I'm not familiar with vaguer you explain

a little bit deeper we're gonna get one

okay I knew that question was coming up

thank you yeah so these personas do you

find like this is obviously a

recommendation or a good set of

recommendations and people sort of

what do you think when maybe the organ

on one big project which is a

development project iMac but you have a

couple of people on you know a g7 site

or something else if you do that

recommend they adopt a different tool

set for each persona or sort of try to

find one that fits across how many

person as they may be fit I I would lean

towards what your organization's more

comfortable is because you know if you

have three developers let's say and two

of them are on Windows one on Mac or

something yeah it's nicer to have a tool

that everybody knows and then you can

help each other out because there's a

there's a lot of times when like the

first time you set up a new project you

have some bug that you can't figure out

and if you have three people using the

same thing they might be like oh I found

that bugger oh I know what to search on

Google to figure it out but if you have

three different tools each one of you

has to do your own research every time

that you sew to save to save the kind of

best fit across all those

I would say yeah and it's gonna be

different for every organization and the

hardest thing would be if you have a lot

of different teams like one team has one

developer one team has five developers

one team has no jazz and Drupal and the

other one that's only triple so Kristin

oh well I just wanted to your point

about the couple Drupal if you're using

something like reservoir or one of the

Web Services distributions reservoir for

example has a docker container available

that you can just pull off and

you wanna learn more yeah well in that

that will bring us I'll talk more about

that in a couple minutes yep those are

slide so those are the personas and

recommendations but we I mean the basic

principles is whatever local development

environment you use and you evaluate

should make it easy to start a new

project like you shouldn't have to

wrestle it every time that you build a

new project it should make it so that if

you get a new developer on your team

they can get up and running and I would

say in an hour or less it takes more

than an hour you need to think about

using something else and you should also

be able to set a global configuration

like the PHP version and the nodejs

version and the Apache version and all

those kind of things so should be able

to be shared with your team and ideally

inside your codebase at aqua we have it

so called VLP that does all this stuff

and it puts it all and together using

composure and magic and stuff like that

we'll talk about that at Drupal con dark

magic yeah and then finally ideally you

want to make your local environment be

as much as as much like your production

environment as you can

realizing that you know if you're like

hosting an aqua cloud you're not going

to set up like seven VMs and have all

these things and load balancers and

certificate management stuff and you

know next slide that's an expression

yeah why is it important yeah the most

important thing is there's a lot of

times when you develop like if you're

one of the majority of developers who

the developer does their own testing or

if you pray and what does the other one

copy rest your fingers you hope that you

don't die there's there's a lot of times

and you know it's the littlest things

like updating a module you update the

module it works fine locally you push it

to production and then your site dies

like why did that happen

oh we're using PHP 7.1 on the live site

and I'm using

so locally you know those kind of things

do happen so you know in descending

order to the PHP versions the most

important for drupal having apache or

nginx if you have that on your server

that's important

using my sequel or Postgres there's who

here uses postcards or even knows what

it is see okay so now there's a couple

of people so I mean that's not as

important that there's like using the

same kind of version range like if

you're using my sequel five five on your

production server using my sequel five

seven locally that's a bad situation

because you're going to end up writing a

query that works locally but then when

it runs in production you get a white

screen of death so some of the tools

lando Drupal VM Doc's al drew yeah some

of them are better at this than others

so yeah you know and you'll find that

pretty quick if you read the

documentation and it's like just change

these variables and it'll change things

the some of the tools are better at

getting you to that point than others if

it's really if it's a struggle it might

not be the right fit for you

all right so now we do a little quick

well quick we got a couple minutes to do

right doesn't know what maker is let's

service or haven't used it or kind of

roughly thing know what you heard is it

have you heard he's dead okay all right

anybody you're using it okay a couple so

for the rest of you some vagrant was

it's probably eight or ten years ago or

something a lot of people realize like

it's better to use a virtual machine

than to install this junk on your laptop

because if you have a patchy and PHP and

all this and you have two projects what

if one project needs PHP seven and one

project needs PHP five six now you think

maybe like do weird things to set up

virtual environments inside your laptop

of foo do magic and then you end up

screwing up your laptop then you gotta

wipe your entire laptop

that so people were like oh there's this

thing called VirtualBox and it creates a

virtual machine running Ubuntu were

running some form of Linux and then I

can install Apache and stuff in there

and keep a nice separate separation of

all my project stuff from my laptop and

oh I can also take this stuff that I

just built and put it on my friend's

computer so we both have the same exact

identical environment the problem with

the originally that was is every single

person had like install VirtualBox and

then like install a virtual machine and

then go in there and type in the files

and commands and install things on it so

vagrant managed those virtual machines

vagrant makes it so that you can like

define either a shell script or ansible

playbooks or chef cookbooks or whatever

kind of automation that you want and you

say like I want Apache I want my sequel

I want Linux and I want PHP a Triscuit

HP is important beautiful you want those

things and then you save a file on in

your code base and then any developer

can run the vagrant up and it builds

that for them so it was like it's the

same model that docker uses just it

takes a little longer usually because it

has to do the things unless you pre

build a base box for yourself that

vagrant makes it so that you can build

isolated environments for your Drupal

site on any laptop it works well with

Windows Mac

Linux another advantage for vagrant is

it has a really mature networking model

or if you want to do things like have

custom host names for your sites have

custom DNS have your site available on

the public internet or just on your

computer have it like pick IP addresses

from your local network do all these

different things like it does all that

pretty automatically that's one thing

where it has a little bit of an

advantage right now for doctor still

doctor has its own internal network

that's a little different and doesn't

work the same on Mac Windows and Linux

so like you have something that works on

Linux laptops you send it over your Mac

laptops and it doesn't work there and

you're like what's going on so that's

vagrant it builds an entire copy of a

virtual computer inside your computer so

it's a little heavyweight but it let you

have isolated environments you just

delete it if you messed it up and you

wouldn't affect your laptop docker

is the same kind of thing but instead of

having a full virtual environment with a

full network card and sound card and USB

ports and all that attached to it doctor

kind of threw away all the things that

that are not necessarily necessary for

running a separate environment inside

your environment and really messing up

the technical part of it but this is

what docker does it basically bundles up

everything without all the junk that

VirtualBox adds and to make like a

completely virtualized computer another

streaming simulation yeah and and it it

also lets you do things like build

layers on top of your docker images

instead of instead of having to rebuild

a entire machine every time you can just

say like I just want to change out the

codebase in my docker container

in the real world a lot of times they're

very similar in the way that you build

things if you do it all custom but

docker is faster usually for getting

things set up because a lot of times the

things you need already pre-built

and you don't have to install things

yourself it's much my spilled sugar just

changed racket sometimes it's that fast

and then another thing that I Kris was

asking me do I want to leave this n do I

not I wanted to talk a little bit about

composure even though it's not strictly

part of a local development environment

but I think that in the next year or two

it's been a long journey for Drupal 8

and composer to be friendly with each

other in the beginning it was really

rough and there is a session at Drupal

con last year that kind of showed a lot

of different things that people are

having trouble with and a lot of those

things are not like how do you get

nodejs stuff in your drupal project for

front-end development and how do you how

do you get custom modules and how do you

integrate patches from Drupal core and

things like that a lot of those issues

have been ironed out but one thing that

I think will be happening over the next

year or two is environment like your

local environment will be a dependency

of your project so you know when you

build a new project instead of

downloading Drupal VM or downloading dev

desktop or downloading lando and then

like downloading Drupal code and then

downloading other things you'll just

create a composer Drupal project like

say I want a new Drupal project and I

want to use Drupal VM and then it will

all just kind of magically wire itself

together composer can do all this stuff

and it makes it a lot more simple to get

up and running and Drupal VM the next

version will be a composer plugin so

it'll literally be you have a Drupal

project and you want to add Drupal VM

you say composer

head plug-in or whatever

rupal p.m. and then it will configure

everything for you and you can modify it

if you want but it'll make it easier to

integrate the local environment with

your project without having to do a

bunch of things like move files around

or download something yes yes sir yeah

this was always a question you know and

again this goes back through the Windows

projects together together and

separately where the customer

development team has windows developers

with seven or ten and there it is

there's a number of factors that go into

it

you know the skillset of the developer

how advanced of a Drupal developer they

actually are you know were they coming

from a for example dotnet or ASP

background or are they and they've been

doing Drupal development for a while as

well as the complexity of the site is

there a lot of custom work that's been

done that's been added as opposed to my

site that's been built mostly in

contributed modules we've seen kind of

both ends of the spectrum where we came

into one customer that was initially

Windows now they're doing all the

development on Macs they halfway through

the project they said forget it we're

just getting max it's way easier running

the numbers the time spent to debug the

environments in Windows it was cheaper

to buy brand new Macs for the dollar

amount and you have to look at it that

way

you laugh but when I run the numbers and

I put it in front of the decision maker

it's a very clear decision there's

issues about you know network in IT

security whatever the if especially if

it's a larger enterprise but generally

they can be accommodating equally

present is the situation where customers

have Windows developers like I said

they're Windows 10 they're savvy they

can they can manage they have it down

they have a solution they're using

docker they're using VM

Drupal VM and it works you know as long

as things don't break right

the major PHP release or change in we

BLT sometimes that you have to go back

and reconstruct everything but that's

healthy progress I'm gonna let you talk

more about that yeah have you had a

question first why don't they just put

arch on their workstations she's being

an art role I spent a lot of time

working on Windows support and Drupal VM

probably three four hundred hours at

this point and I I bought with my

personal money not their money a PC

laptop just to be able to test these

things like as I said you're not going

to get that level of support from most

projects and I don't even know why I did

I think I did that because I actually

started on Windows 10 no windows 8 a few

years ago with one of my first bigger

Drupal projects and so I felt the pain

and I has this yes attraction the pain I

guess I don't know but you know just

realize that going into it and you know

if you're on Windows and you you don't

have the resources and your team to do

DevOps things or have people that can

debug issues and things like that it

could be it could be painful enough that

you might want to consider getting a Mac

or installing Linux on one of the pcs or

doing something like that yeah yeah

that's obviously you know a cheaper

alternative and especially if you're a

small shop and it is not an easy thing

to do going the virtual route is

probably a better solution or do Arch

Linux

all right last topic down if we don't

want to still cover got a we got a

minute or two yeah we have a couple

minutes I'll just run through it really

quick some of the development

environments have their own kind of

integration set up for deploying things

to production or they have integrations

like aqua TLT integrates with Drupal VM

so that you can do some stuff on local

and then you run a command and it pushes

it up to Okwe cloud

you could probably modify it to push to

other places I know Lando has like

recipes for aqua cloud and for Pantheon

and a few others platform maybe and they

make it easier to do those kind of

things and so that's something to

consider when you're looking at these

tools like if your hosting provider

really recommends one you might want to

use that just to make life easier for

you as long as it solves all your other

needs too yeah please don't fix your

code on production anyway that's it yeah

so let's open it up to questions maybe

I'm sure you have questions sure sir

yeah reason I don't use arch and

I used to have a real job until I got

fired for being bold we can't not quit

my practice and I do windows DevOps for

remember small businesses

IBM's definition of a small business is

under a hundred million dollars a

thousand play something might

the IDS therefore I ve got your wet dev

ops team and everything else so I know

how to do DevOps and they need Windows

and I could give lots of reasons why

they don't like Windows but my clients a

small business they went around quick

they went around Auto cam they have no

choice but a Windows entire yep

so my Davone machines our windows so

that's a majority of my practice and

then the lightweight Drupal developer

and I really thought dev desktop was

great at Windows

the only problem with it is sometimes it

goes out to lunch and you got to restart

it and sometimes you got to reboot

and one time when it was a really

inconvenient time not even rebooting

after I've made a minor change to a

theme from the Drupal you simple Drupal

web page nothing what happens it was

completely dead then they started

looking around and I found a lot of

people who agree that patchy is a piece

of crap and PHP works really well it had

issues in version 5 that were worse than

and EP 7 works my sequel works before

the five seven twenty installer if you

try to install Windows my sequel it did

not install all of the DLL that it

needed sometimes it's all wrong ones but

you could work around that and once you

got it installed it worked and the

current five seven twenty it's all it

does work so PHP and my sequel work the

only problem is the number of people all

agree that Apache it doesn't work and a

number of other people said that I asked

is the old

the web server that does work on videos

so I looked into it there is a website

called Drupal 8 and Windows is something

like that yep and they document how to

get iis to work and I had some good

results of that I did not know about

Drupal vml give that a try yeah okay so

you sound like in advance

well not advanced but not a beginner

developer I use a bit advanced beginner

DevOps guy and a beginner so I skew you

to pass the and I'm sure Jeff will back

me on this I'd say you've probably read

them past dev desktop and to try Drupal

VM my other question is is the

importance of mimicking the server

environment in your local is running ISS

what is your what's the actual site

living on is that on that when do the

service ventilator server bright

matching my sequel and PHP seems to work

and

I guess doesn't have an HD access yeah

yes there's a there's a lot of minor

configuration then but once you get

momentum that is to to do PhD which is

that yeah it's pretty easy okay I've had

trivial reconfiguration that was a pious

moving from IAS to Apache as long as I

have the right version of my sequel and

PHP and that's something we didn't

really cover too much in this

presentation but there are a large

number of developers who basically do

run everything local like there's a guy

that aqua who always like he's always

making fun of Drupal the end because

he's like why not just install Apache on

your Mac and when I'm just gonna solve

this it's like yeah I did in Drupal 6

not now yeah yeah it does it does work

what you do run into issues where

sometimes there might be something like

HD access could cause issues we need to

play to production and you have a

difference in your I asked configuration

right that you know you didn't you

didn't notice but if you're if you're a

developer who can manage it it's not the

end of the world if you're on a large

team of developers and you're the only

one doing it that's it that's one case

where it can be a major problem and you

know sometimes we're like look you know

get in line we have five developers

they're all using this thing none of

them have a problem you have tons of

problems you're doing your very

customized setup just use the same thing

as everyone else okay hey I don't have

this problem anymore you know so but if

you know for me I if if I weren't as

much in the DevOps I'd probably just had

like ma'am or doom you know

do a local environment thing if I were

just doing a site or two since I work at

aqua and we do tons of sites and I'm

always switching things I have to use

either a VM or docker because otherwise

I just want some my computer all the

time as opposed to a solo show

yeah weird someone say exactly it's a

big difference and I you mentioned

windows subsystem for Linux is growing

this really impressive now it does have

some issues and fall creators up they

removed the word beta from its title but

it still has some issues it's still paid

up exactly yeah although some day it

might be there's a bunch of real smart

people we're gonna yeah yes yeah I'm

serving out that's good that's just the

time in it I know first of all think

these types of data analysis is great

especially your own here you can see

trends did you um I don't think I saw

something in it but we didn't you know

ask but hosting provider makeup they

know I didn't ask time hosting provider

and my question was do you use dev stage

and prize you know that's another

question is it because I know like

there's like high correlation for my

pants and catalogs yeah in fact the

question I asked earlier which is do you

fit both what were some is of buckets

and therefore find a toilet

investments across them you know having

come from an agency sometimes the client

it takes that you got these awkward I

got these my garden you can oh yeah I'd

be very curious to see if you were able

to tease out so no you can't return the

survey this year

no no but for future yeah that's good I

appreciate it that's good and then if

anybody else has any questions or

feedback you want to pass along please

please let me know also if you know of

anybody who hasn't taken a survey

between now and Nashville in a couple

weeks low note as well I'm going to

continue aggregating up for the next few

weeks you

yeah yeah I'll post them so when once

the recording is done I go back and

transcribe slides in that that slides

and I'll put the details in the PDF will

be posted on the mid campsite great

question I give you the question so this

might be out of the scope of what you're

not much today in general I'm someone

who's pretty muted rupal so if you have

any recommended tools for debugging so

these can be things either in the

browser or modules you can add on to a

Drupal install that you would recommend

like beckoned yes yeah right so you're

building a custom module is not working

or you don't know what variable is give

access to and what do you recommend the

name of the game is X debug and it's it

integrates with phpstorm sublime texts

and other things so that you can

basically save a file go to the page

refresh it and it'll pop up all the

debugging information

Austin's set breakpoints and stuff

Drupal VM supports a box lando does

almost all the major ones do now some of

them might not that it's if you need to

install on your own it's not too hard

it's a PHP extension you install yeah

but that's an industry standard what you

call yeah every it's whatever

okay yeah you're doing theming work for

brandy other question sir yes that's

mostly because I so the Drupal VM backer

stuff is very selfishly developed just

for me I wanted a quick Drupal

environment that I could build like I

have twenty something personal sites and

small business things from way before

aqua at time that I maintain still most

one Drupal 7 and I wanted to have like

literally like docker compose up and

three seconds later I'm doing

development because I painted the whole

like spending five minutes waiting to be

able to make one change to a theme or

update one module and check it so that I

mainly developed it for my personal use

doing that but it does have support for

building one container with all of your

customizations and then you can either

stay that container or if your team like

put it up on docker or put it somewhere

where you can share it but that's one

thing a little different with Drupal

vm's approach as to many of the other

approaches it's like one VM one

container with everything so you have

like a 500 megabyte

or megabyte container with some of the

other 20 containers or seven containers

one for PHP one for my sequel one for

something else

technically speaking to other approaches

more doctor-like and all that but in my

opinion if you're not running docker in

production there's no reason to make

things more complicated than they have

to be that's just my personal opinion

and many people attacked me for it

keep it simple I build things that work

and I do things that are easy to

maintain and sometimes those things

don't reflect the exact perfection that

some people envision with docker

yes yep if you're running a website for

six years you don't want to have to

spend you know hours every year every

time the Packer updates a major version

redoing all the networking because

everything changed again does that

change the cover that's why you're here

any other questions does this first

thing my group backer and Windows does

it work it works pretty well that the

only thing that sometimes Cantore off is

the networking it's the same thing with

the Mac doctor was backers built on

Linux stuff right I think things that

are essential to parts of Linux see

groups and things like that in jails and

all that Windows doesn't have that out

of the box so docker builds its own

little virtualization layer and then

does docker stuff inside of it same

thing on a Mac so the main difference

that you'll find between Mac Linux and

Windows is when you do networking and do

IP addresses and things like that if you

try doing some of that stuff you'll find

that it behaves differently and

but actually running a docker container

is pretty simple Madeline windows

running most of these environments works

out of the box but like I said some of

them have no support for Windows yeah so

you know they don't even have

instructions for if you're on Windows

download windows or docker for Windows

they just say like if you're on Mac do

this and try and Linux do that right

okay I guess you don't care most most of

the tools that we've had in the survey

or docker based it seems like the world

is kind of moving that way just because

it's usually faster easier quicker and

kind of like in Drupal 8 we have like a

thousand libraries and dependencies we

throw into something to make it easier

of a docker you can just take

everybody's potentially an insecure

infrastructure code and just throw it in

the container and put it out there if

you do docker in production it's a lot

different story than that current

culture environments

awesome alright

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