right so this is our event organizer
panel you see in front of you a few
event organizers and in case you need to
know their names and want to strain your
neck please look over here we've got Amy
June
then Moriarty April sides and Kevin bull
and they all do various things around
the Drupal community so I figured we'll
start off you know I've already told
your name so you don't have to give an
introduction unless you really want to
have people play the match game and make
sure that we got the right person with
the right name so let's just go down the
line what's your relationship with
Drupal and open source software what
events are you part of keep it to you
know a 10 event limit and how long have
you been organizing events whether it be
Drupal camps or other I so I'm a
freelance front-end developer I've been
in Drupal for about 10 years I've been
organizing events probably for six or
seven is that all the questions
Oh mid camp before we camp I did triple
camp Fox Valley which is the suburban
smaller suburban group and then I helped
a lot of camps with your recording yeah
all right so I've been working with your
bull since 2008 and in 2011 I helped
start the Twin Cities triple camp which
is going on tonight here this year
and is that the only event that you yeah
poet I mean I started
or that I guess it was around it's after
people karna Austin but I got really
interested in being part of events and
and in organizing and matching Connerton
actually started the camp so when he
left the area to Florida I became that
point person
Mike now I've been one of the main
organizers for the Florida camp for all
eleven years its insistence taking place
next year for every 18 to 20 good for
under privileged opportunity for about
triple trainer consultant
as their community ambassadors so I work
both in the WordPress tangible space
married - marriage center five years but
in the people community myself for three
years I started helping out with bad
camp but I'm in the unique position
where I'm paid to help people and so I
hope Michael Florida and I helped you
with Chicago and then help with New
Jersey and I'm also in the WordPress
space
okay all right so I've got a couple of
questions lined up but does anybody any
of you have any questions that you'd
like to ask either one at all all of the
organizers up here all right so you guys
have a event yesterday that was only for
sponsors so it's kind of like a value
add-on for sponsors yes just curious I'm
always looking to make sure the sponsors
feel like they've gotten from what I
heard from people coming out of it I
mean it was pretty strongly everybody in
there was you know what happens in the
room stays in the room we're not going
to give away free secrets but everybody
seemed pretty pleased with it is the
general feedback you know having that
opportunity to share knowledge with
somebody that it would otherwise see as
a competitor in any other day but at
that point in time all peers all trying
to help each other
here's what we do Kevin did you hear
anything yes similar well I guess I
heard a little flight from some people
it's like I'm not really of an agency
that size so it wasn't really for me or
I heard that scale and also like great
great feedback but I learned a lot I
learned some things which is good like
take takeaways are important but also
we've got some feedback on here's some
ideas for next year if you do it again
which is great that they're thinking
like that we'll do it again well I want
to I definitely want to we're gonna do a
sponsor survey at the end and it has a
lot about that because I hope my hope is
and part of the reason we added it is to
give value back to the sponsors to give
a reason to run sponsor again
yeah other the good that surface
whatever you add Lurie absolutely is a
little supermodel yeah if you ask my
question I'll be it but it's for the
whole
I feel like Jake might have just tweeted
this or even better it's still a draft
load every it's a more and more like
Drupal events and Drupal itself is
becoming more professional it less sort
of about a community that you know
just have a discussion about the
Hollywood myth some people have
I don't know that that's a bad thing
it's to some extent I think that this
move towards mid campus tried a couple
of things
sponsored sessions or sponsored talks by
sponsors this special event I understand
about evasion for that writers we're
trying as the the conference becomes
more professional it is more expensive
we can see expensive without it becoming
yeah and the sponsor is in some ways I
think deplorable important did some ways
although there's also another trend
which is like oh people are paying 200
or 300 dollars to another tech
conferences like so they should may had
to come to our conference so does I'm
extend there's also that pressure and
I'm just asking your thoughts on this
dichotomy there's a somebody tech heard
somebody say today we should quit
calling at a camp you should call it a
conference yeah I get the other hand I'm
looking for a community event and camp
to me implies community event I'm not
the ticket price because back camp and
so traditionally been free for a couple
of years ago we're had to make the
grown-up decision to start charging for
trainings it used to be we would charge
for training we will just thought we'd
give you the money back in swag or
whatever we decided to change that and
charge $20 for trainings that people are
gonna get to the concrete hundred
dollars and not give the money back they
take that as revenue the pushback was
huge and so this year after our
retrospective in October where our our
venue space is really expensive we had
to make the decision of do we charge for
a ticket or do we keep it as a free you
know sessions and contribution things
and ultimately we've changed into menus
because we were not frightened of the
backlash of charging but we were
reluctant to church and so for us like
the whole idea of charging that $200 for
that space just seems crazy
so in our circumstances and that may be
because that's historically we've been
free so specific that my question though
is about this tension and we want to
make sure that we serve those reasons
and those reasons are there people a
server sense people are really good
content really good sessions are coming
to learn and to see friends and to
collaborate and do the holiday track so
I don't really concern in the hope that
the other recognize we do either concern
ourselves and whether or not we're
professional or not we want it to we
want to serve we believe our attendees
away
you know we've never had a discussion of
anything other than a camera I was
actually you know I was afraid this year
was that heard that a lot of other camp
sponsorships work at home so we raised a
precedence here purely based on that not
based on any other no comparison to
another van or we raised our prices in
anticipation of having fewer
sponsorships which thankfully did not
pan out we have more sponsorships and
what the terms we did was we can get
away more free passes to the event I
look like a triple house doing this year
right so I don't really look at I don't
feel that touching on some pretty nicer
maybe because I'm simple-minded but I
just focus on we want our attendees to
show up and smile and learn and leave
having a positive experience
so if in the future that means we have
to make it more professional I don't
know what I do differently maybe I don't
know what do you do for your particular
so you decide well number one presenters
been of trainers volunteers we were
looking at our venue is other than
security and Choctaw really to us so and
it's a technical school so that school
will get many tickets they walk for
their students on top of that we also
reached out in Florida and offer
discounts to user groups and
outreach
yeah
[Music]
yeah we better all I gotta say is those
things are like how they determine
somebody stood me up stars from artists
there's a hot perspective a we're just
looking out from we don't wanna lose
money in a word lucky enough we can't
afford to lose a little bit of money
because we have a little nest egg so we
have to say yes and if a group comes to
us a group of students or something and
said we want to get to people people say
that's almost okay thanks yeah yeah no
our answer to how do you prove you're
doing this
if you decide
but people have emailed us three copies
their IDs like camp price level or free
is because I assume in your feedback
catch me you're allowing on Hunter
Douglas right dinners right the San
Francisco Bay Area so you know but a
couple of our sponsors won last year
pulled out and that was really
challenging that was our food budget and
you know
some of those and you know we
as much because everyone in the Bay Area
already use their platform so it's
challenging having those bigger
sponsorship dollars if one of them backs
out you know that's a huge chunk of
change so but yeah that's how we do it
is sponsorship
all the time
- okay well okay I'm a community bastard
and so my thing is it's everyone's sort
of obligation to give back to the
community
you are that sort of money it's sort of
your job to give back and I come from it
from that approach you know anyway
you're going to help someone learn and
you're going to go something that work
there to get someone else into the
Drupal community and so when I ask
people that's basically okay
well whatever were you telling me
yesterday before you guys are you know
provide a discount for this year's
sponsors - we up from next year when you
turn that word son wait what did the kid
yeah we talk oh we've tried that in the
past and it it worked a lot of people
said yes and then a lot of people didn't
Hey yeah yes but it's sort of bond when
we did it so we haven't done it since
well here we are
which we did because it was when we
changed been used to the palm we needed
a bigger venue deposit so we needed we
needed early sponsor dollars a year we
normally have a bit of a nest day and we
didn't have enough and we then lost the
venue and had to scramble to go back to
you I see that here so that was a rough
that was a rough year so yeah that's why
we didn't try to do that again because
it
didn't work I mean maybe we should do it
again today yeah good yeah so I
so first would you say you have a brand
for your event and how did you
drupal cancer events that may be
it would distance you no way
remember mid-game was bad camper there's
a namespace issue
oh man we can't get that domain you know
our big thing is were free
we brand our event Berkeley California
it's free I like the pirates but it's
also okay it's an alternative did you
talk to Drew come here
yeah and fall so it's six months sort of
to be that point between you know and so
we thought like this year our tendons
that go up
both aren't getting sponsored with the
tickets
back here you know but that's we just
randomly
yeah I can't afford
otherwise I think their branding is is I
mean I I'm taking it more to mean like
what your caps about right not like your
logo or anything like that but it's it's
due location that's the primary drop for
us Minneapolis and st. Paul so if you
vary anywhere in that region or that's
one of the main drivers of any camp I
think we did thank you we're not we
talked about maybe the ways to make it
more special like in the past we've had
tie-ins with Drupal contribution study
there Sprint's like usability - that was
a good one for triple seven but yeah we
talked about ways of maybe how can we
distinguish ourselves from from other
camps but in by and large at least as of
today it's really just we can provide
one for our region and that's that's our
brain others it's about consistency just
how a consistent event like I think
branding is important I think having a
logo the consistent and
a consistent message consistently use
social media to promote your camp I
think it's all about I've done a lot of
experimentation we are consistent but
we've experimented with various things
last year we did a science summit we
didn't market it enough and so it wasn't
very big it takes a lot of effort and we
have a very small team and what's kind
of unique about expose that we don't
have a huge drupal community in
Asheville but we're a tourist
destination and we the campus started
before me in my time and it's really
like a family reunion everyone comes in
and it's it's a huge community event we
don't have a lot of spritzers
contributors and so you know this year
we're kind of experimenting with you
know encouraging people to stay for some
babies ours is a Friday Saturday camp
event but staying around on Sunday to do
hiking and like he was nature and be
with other people in the community and
really a community building sort of
retreat is what I'm calling it so they
could a little more official but it was
doing something to get to know the
community
a little better you see hermanos
typically you know come for the comfort
of codes stay for the weekend any other
questions from out there
they said something I also ordered
initiative in cities I think we've tried
to sort of brand our army as a fun
destination
community building with events there's
something to do inclusive activities to
do we feel like integral working or the
parties we've done some of you been to
them and I again I think main campus is
pretty good job for this and well I'm at
the floor again you you as well have
that same for lots of images you know
providing activities for minute camps
that aren't like that where you get to
the end of the day and everybody goes
home yeah for years decrease the number
of sessions stops crazy but we do it
every year
I don't never appreciated that we have
we've got one or two units but that's
not a lot and the reason it does is
because we believe that people the vast
majority people come our camp at least
they've got the vast majority the
majority are looking to network as much
as they're looking to saying sessions so
we increase the time to in sessions to
half hour when increase the time of
all being together at the same time so
we have an opening session and rather
than just having a short closing session
and we do lightning talks that you guys
are doing don't let from you we borrowed
they were inspired by you this is a
great way to everybody in the same room
everyone generally and re-energize after
whatever it is so I mean when you take
the fact that we've taken away a whole
timeslot horizontally for lightning
talks and I'm going to reduce the number
vertically by the priests time
two sessions we end up with a lot fewer
sessions but you know it's still getting
really good feedback about the event and
everyone seems to be smiling more it's
really
no not 45 that 45 minutes with a half
horror matru and it does I mean the side
effect of that is people go over 5 10
minutes it's not good
it's weird because it works really well
there are many supports right well yeah
the shape of the Vendetta we try that at
bootcamp it bombed because everyone's
like we have so much time like what oh
they're not or yeah the other way too
much time between section one what's
going on
we have partnership with caterer there
is food oh yeah nonstop from the time
you arrive to the time there it's
brightness in the morning there is an
amazing lunch and then there are cookies
and cake and drinks all afternoon
so in between sessions there is before
the halls great location sponsored
middle somewhere we're really lucky that
a lot of this stuff comes together and
just enables us to really you know
so whatever so that it's also geometry
issue again if you can arisen your event
in a way that really fosters people I'll
get to another and having a reason to
stop you know pick up the cookie or get
the trick started conversation not and
that's something that we tried geared
this year I mean compared to last year
when there was no real reason to go back
downstairs and congregate now we have
let's say say France pill
we have all the sponsors in one area
we're all on one floor there's reasons
if you want to eat you have to talk to a
sponsor so so we're we're you know and
getting the people together they're all
in one space and I think that's we've
gotten a lot of good feedback we've had
the sponsors from last year did not read
up on their table saying man I wish we
would have gotten a table because this
is amazing photographer yeah and this
year we're giving it to him yeah I think
it's much better layout this year
and that's something you switch for bad
campus
and Kevin can attest to this as far as
time goes but the sessions
geographically spaced out and so these
people who have mobility issues or they
wanted to there were then there was no
like meetings basically sites to expo
hall so we've changed venues where we
have it all under the hotel now because
of geographically everything was just so
spread out that we didn't have that
space or you had to get so you cross
people but you've got a quarter of a
mile of track so one that I wrote down
um we're gonna start with Amy June
because we started with Kevin last and I
asked well what led you to become an
event organizer and why do you continue
to do it
okay so again I'm in the unique position
where I don't do billable client work so
what else am I going to do I really like
people and I try to encourage people to
help volunteer because what they don't
want to code but there's other ways and
so I think you know setting that example
of don't have to be a coder to be an
event organizer
- so and then I am an advocate for open
source I'm an advocate advocate for
accessibility so I said those kind of
meetings - because I love that and I
love sharing that space
so that's what sort of after I got the
bowl that we doing more organizations
and different venues you know different
spaces other than from
market what I do and this is a way of
doing that's not completely selfish it's
also I enjoyed interested in
contributing that scratch your own itch
as you know and you should contribute to
the STL modules or documentation become
an expert and yes you're doing great
things are contributing but it's helping
you personally and that's okay so that's
one of the reasons why I continue to do
I know I past five years I've been
saying please do my job it's not really
insure
I think myself before I enter the
community and I'm always looking to
serve that version of me like I want to
bring people and I want to give them
opportunities to grow professionally and
personally
I love seeing people connected over
ideas thinks of you know I'm looking for
the solution oh I know exactly who you
should talk to and just having everyone
together it's just it's a family reunion
like in Asheville so I'm always looking
for ways to to help bring new people in
and not let them feel like outsiders
planning events and general and I'm
really interest interested in
entrepreneurship and so this gives me an
opportunity to kind of play with
something that's not you know putting my
starting a company or something I can do
this on the side yes I can't fire my
volunteers or anything but you know it's
it's learning how to lead at the same
time in that kind of environment where
you're not paying someone to do the work
and so it's just a great experience you
can convince someone to do the work when
they're not getting paid that's a good
skill to have yeah yeah so I
I just getting started with Drupal and
this was easy it's not easy way but it
was a way for me to give back to the
community in a way that I knew how to do
and I thought fuck remotely so that's
why I got involved but I think it's
evolved over over the years and at this
point I view it at least for me
personally is I want to see the people I
know working in the Terkel community and
Drupal project so that's itself succeed
and I worry sometimes about its future
and I think that that by posting and
putting on to get camper here that's
something that we're doing sensor that
how bolster that and grow it with the
community and that's really at least my
current motivation I feel like if I let
this thing die that's gonna just hurt
the community and it's also going to
hurt Drupal in the
Kevin so I got into this most of the
Chicago Chicago already had it yeah and
that's how I got into I learned a lot
from meetups and going to Chicago Pam
but organization and attendance of that
camp was dropping year by year and so in
Fox Valley and our suburban group we
decided let's have a campout here you
know since it doesn't compete really and
that we're not getting this value out of
that so let's do it and where I work at
the time I helped you run an event or
work so I had all the experience so it's
like sure I'll jump in and see what
happens and so and then that's sort of
how big camp came about too and then
once we'd can't happen
the suburban group didn't feel it needed
the campus now we kind of fix that meat
so it was it was seeing need that we
could do something to fill that need and
what I get out of it is you know it's
fun I was telling April the other day
you asked me that two days ago and when
I'm here at the event and I see what
we've done like I got into this going to
events and so I know there's value and
so when I see that were able to give
that value to other people and just see
people happy and learning and
communicating it networking it's like
that's just that feel good payback
question
play off with dancing concerns for the
future and whatnot
right whale around I am Aoi Yusa living
on my own I left I came back and there's
a triple Campo
I died down there but there are talks of
bringing that bad
the word camp there's different
might be a wordpress developer
keynote
nice camp with those different camps are
kind of broadening their
focus so do you have any any comments on
that
it's almost like
mergers and acquisitions
and we had a downward attendance trend
and so this past year we invited the
Gatsby folks
and shares some knowledge and our
numbers went up a little bit just
because of that if we are experimenting
maybe this year but doing like mini
camps before the camps like like
allowing some of the other spaces to
come in
you know like will many summits versus
the big summits
or open-source communities
that'll help with the attendance levels
you know but that's all I mean like
asking those communities to come in is
kind of tricky because sometimes they
want more than what we have to offer so
it's the you know I think it's a
it's a good thing but it's tricky
because everyone has their
you know bitches
but we're definitely doing it for them
yeah we're doing I think official right
we're doing a mini camp for fat drive
this year in our camp didn't see see
what you know that brings in and people
that kind of moved between those two
worlds oh I do get concerned though like
I I like the idea of broadening it to
other technologies and CMS's and stuff
but I still think our brand is still
essentially like this is there's only
one event that happens specifically
about Drupal in the Twin Cities and
years so I don't want to rotten it away
from that even though everyone is
welcome to come so it's sort of trying
to figure out how to bring in people
from other experiences into your camp
and how you can do that they've got some
programming challenge and then you have
to rebuild your brain
right can Stanford developer I don't
think it's that difficult we because
Drupal is some of its parts
right now at your place there's
controller parts or simply party parts
do parts so it's not a huge effort for
us if you find speakers on those topics
to speak about composer our PHP we do a
yeah we do a rap trip every year at ours
and that enables us to go out to the PHP
groups in there yeah and don't you and
invite them to our event and they will
say
yes it's a Drupal but we have these
topics specific
enjoy we've talked to other opens we
talked to other it was a content
management professional it's a hotel
that's you know it just it feels very
chummy and we talked and kind of
combined resources and it just from the
beginning it just did not feel right for
us it just it wasn't more like merger
with two different corporate cultures
yeah we don't need to do that because
Drupal folks who want to learn more
about Gatsby they're more about this we
can count those talks
I'd hold on to the culture I'm sure what
race your event you know especially
we talked about like how could we work
with the WordPress community and their
work camp without like would it be a
wordpress traffic triple camp in a
drupal track at WordPress camp or or
even just in the bed or would it be just
a shared party like you know like I
don't know if there I think there are
things you could do that would allow you
to kind of maintain here your community
but also to facilitate you know there's
enough that WordPress and Drupal other
students have in common that you don't
have to make it so so you know we're
gonna add some triple I think that's a
WordPress in here but I don't think the
Tampa a freshman what about how how much
are we reaching out to that community
say please submit us in Nashville this
year had Drupal Thomas yeah
anything wrong truthfully outreach to
other like people in other technologies
they're like ID doesn't like joining
with people with other technologies I'm
kind of curious to play it for how he's
not like necessarily inviting other
groups in but like just in order to get
more participants as like in terms of
like
advertising or out fish to like coder
camps in the area or like other things
like that because being a junior you
were talking about like numbers going
down here and it's like that's a really
common situation and I'm just kind of
trying to think of like how other how
other ways of adding that are so
lately I have been going to local
meetups that aren't Drupal and talking
about what I do and speaking I have a
talk that is very agnostic
it's a platforms and so I've been
promoting bad camp by going to other
places and saying hey we have this thing
and it's an October and you're right
around the corner so that's me doing
personal not personal outreach but
outreach as an ambassador like you know
but this is just something we've just
started though - so curious to see what
the numbers will look like sure but you
know I've been going to the Gatsby
events and the WordPress events and the
laravel event
and you know talking about that hand
yeah I was gonna say that there are some
restrictions with work and I believe and
the way that we couldn't do a lot of
collaboration between the work camp of
minutes because they just have a very
strict model but but it would have to be
a discussion at the high level to see if
we can use it and that is starting to
happen because I've been going into the
WordPress space and saying there's this
great opportunity and that's when we're
talking about having intrical practice
and having that because we want to do it
Bay Area or it can doesn't have the same
ring it has bad that company that that
that has all the rules
how less constriction you know so there
we are working on the work resumes I
think that I've seen some of those
organizers are still doing the work camp
to get the the word camp branding and
the work camp Jews but they also do were
dish camps kind of that they've renamed
but it's still the same organizers kind
of doing their own building sorts of
thing oh we tried to collaborate with
some WordPress the work camp organizers
here and some like from Joomla last year
and it's just hard to get it's not quite
different cultures but it is different
cultures I mean we're
can't really get everybody on the same
page with how we want to really push
things along as the community a larger
open source community instead of Drupal
Magento WordPress everybody in their own
silos there's there's a lot of crossover
from a lot of those it's just a matter
of meshing them finding out where that
sliver of a Venn diagram is that we can
really count on
your question yeah so
even inside
so I attended layer later kind of online
like my $25
you know washing party
Shakespeare
so yeah yeah yeah and we actually just
launched something in Florida this year
so far today but we do have both
bathroom and eat up I mean
from Palm Beach rather than a centerline
of Gainesville and all of those meetups
have become less than periodic so that
all happen every month I'm not gonna try
to figure out a way to kick-start those
around every Airport about it so this
year my idea or our idea should say then
what we're going to kick off in March we
are doing to have a Florida why I assume
channel and possibly send it outside of
Florida not the first few months each
geographic area is going to be
responsible for and it's been rented
so it may it's going to start off in
Space Coast rather and we're gonna
interesting you know and we're gonna
have is the host for the floor so people
when the hair devil come to our meetup
it will also be broadcast to all of the
other meetups
and people who catered gather where they
have their usual meetups or they can
just pop online
so be a florida virtual Mia but we'll
always have a impersonal component that
rotates around the state so we have a
lot of really good feedback originally
for it or initially for I should say we
have the first six month supply at this
point with speakers and topics and dates
and stuff like that so we're gonna try
that model and see how it goes and we've
already then you have requests from
people outside of Florida to meet ups to
you know get around that schedule what
you are completely bored we just wanted
we want to get the ball rolling
there are cats it's one of those things
where we're using leftover money from
Florida Drupal camp and we'll get this
big of a zoom accountants we need and if
it turns out that that's something we
can share with the Greater Drupal
community and we will and you know maybe
it'll become let's see the San Francisco
circle users group means you know every
month and we have pretty high numbers
with it between thirty and forty of them
but we also offer the zoom rooms for
people
in states and that we get probably four
or five people regularly and sometimes
depending on that we get
we don't report it
we need to create those there's like one
place if you go online and say look
there's a virtual meet up happening
being hosted by Kalamazoo and it's
tomorrow night at 7:00 central Berlin
sounds like it could be something maybe
talked about kinda buff or a during
contribution days yeah put the scope of
Drupal TV is to like right now it's just
camps and con but it is the scope is to
also add training meetups
so with meetups are recorded but I see
what you mean but then also
the back room call it today yeah I mean
that's assuming that they volunteer any
of the conversation or change it or
alter it knowing that everything you're
saying is being recorded and broadcast
out into the world that not everybody
so I do have caution before I wrap up so
it's another question for me so what's
the mechanics of this
that's one person basically broadcasts
up for the from their laptop that
they're presenting sharing the screen
sure it's pretty it's pretty
straightforward we've now Hardware the
corner yeah
many of you know someone could run I'm
gonna give on it's a pretty little bit
pretty low yeah I've been thinking about
doing that with our bug Valley once were
certain
certain presenters that are open to that
well part of it is he's going to come on
who's going to come on to it
there's the issue of how do you deal
with questions from the audience it's
online there's questions that are you
know yeah
to go to just learn how do you handle
the promotion of that
well so we do the Meetup calm and the
triple
notes and we don't about the zoom room
until right before the event and we
the area slap channel and they'll post
it in there
we don't know it was participation four
or five and it depends on
some of it like you have someone come in
because wherever unique because we're
the Bay Area's a lots of it's a
destination point so we have people not
our community come in to buy the bed new
request we have some space and some of
the times you know they draw a bigger
crowd
and like you said you had a question
before yeah some members community
working group one things that we are
looking to do more of is provide
resources to the community for conflict
conflict resolution specifically related
to camps one of the things we're
actively working on right now is some
type of checklist or resources or guide
towards providing a for how to how to
have COC contacts and what to do if
there is something happens and you know
what do you do what's the process so we
have a good base knowledge that's from
our experience but I would love to hear
that what do other events mean there are
camps for some events I don't I'm not
pretty fair to anyone appeared that
we're not there are events that just
basically take the DrupalCon code of
conduct and copy please change these
things for call names up there
and call it that we actually tried to
come up with our own version but then we
started raising too many questions like
we're not experts in this so let's take
the one that's trusted by the community
well here's the thing you know what
we've seen in the past year or so is
we've seen an increase in number of
incidents at the fence that the
organizers of the events aren't
necessarily equipped to handle and it's
only because of an experience
yeah right have nothing it's not reflect
on the organizers its reflection on the
experience and the fact that we do
provide resources and here's a great
example we just saw recently is that you
know so ideally you should introduce
sighting an opening session or some type
of global session you should have you
should you should put something up there
and have someone say a few words about
just do the gist of what it is and what
to do if there's a problem right yeah
there should definitely be Trump oh yeah
ideally the their name should be up
there their pictures we're spending at
the front of the room standing right
next projector is that okay there should
also be multiple ways to contact that
person
some are possibly just confinement but
also a discreet way of doing so you know
we have very clear ideas of what that
stuff should look like and so we want to
be able to find out we want to be able
to provide some type of here's what
happened here's what you should do
so I looked know what you know what else
what else could we provide them I think
in addition to just resources having
training and having making sure that
someone ordered maybe some two people
from each camp are going to be training
that in have a better understanding of
how they do it
so what's the best way so we we have
these conversations alive so I I could
put on another one of my hats from a
while ago and I want to be respectful of
time we're down to under four minutes
left
um so in a previous life I was a
paramedic and part of required training
was crisis intervention where you learn
things and you learn you know what you
should do what you shouldn't do how to
deescalate situations and that's not
specific to emergency medical services
the people who do those trainings do
trainings for all kinds of walks of life
but it's the stuff that you you know
you're not to go into details of what
these incidents were but you know it
could range anything from somebody
saying a rude comment or even something
to another person all the way up to
having a mental health issue and you
know maybe becoming combative or you
know worst case scenario this is and so
I you know not to stand on a soapbox I
do have a little bit of training in that
from years past and I think that it's
kind of fortunate in that kind of
capacity but I think other organizers
and other camps should at least know
where they can go to for training who
they could reach out to you or even if
there's a train-the-trainer type
scenario through the CWG that reaches
out to camp organizers and says you know
I'm not sure what the budget is but hey
we've got a lead here in Chicago of
crisis intervention trainer would you
like to send a few of your organizers to
get this hey we've got a crisis
intervention or hey we've got a crisis
intervention trainer who is middle of
the country
over time you train more people and
invite people make sure you have a
couple people at camp and then as part
of the camp process and say hey this we
have these three camp officers there's a
lead there's contact information of that
so do you think that your caps would be
willing to share shared cost share the
burden of training there there are some
physical components at least the one
that I took you know and not saying that
we would you be in a position where we
need to restrain anybody or anything
like that but just haven't somebody who
at least has some level of certification
that in the event substitute to provide
the skills you know of course there's
gonna have to be some legal counsel
contacted because you know if somebody
is acting in a way that is a threat to
themselves or others at what point are
we overstepping our boundaries so
ultimately the intervention it should be
keep yourself safe no matter what if you
need to get out of the situation you get
out of the situation you find a phone
you call 9-1-1 and that that is number
one if it's if you don't feel safe and
that's watch out for yourself before all
of others I know it sounds selfish but
you can't help anybody if you're down
so that that's number one don't put
yourself in anything safe don't try to
be a hero so you know it's it's a tough
decision you know at what point do I
intervene and at what point do I just
say everybody get out police are on
their way and I think somebody who is
trained much much more in this kind of
scenario specific to he said there's no
well actually there might be if somebody
came up with the title conference crisis
management trainer somebody specific to
that we might have more answers to it so
I think thinking of like once once we
figure out the baseline for
keeping that certification yeah but
whatever we why don't we figure out what
that baseline is keeping some kind of
list of those people and possibly making
them available to camps that don't have
that yes here's the list of people like
getting interviewed everybody who's done
that asking to make you go to other
camps to serve in that role it doesn't
have to stay just like if it's like
and get more people to do recording
stuff for sabers April said this
starting with yeah there is a portion
maybe we can work with this instructor
to people with incentive to do it say
hey if you get the certification
discounted prices because you walk
people there so you got to give them a
reason yeah right and even do the drupal
quantities in north america or whatever
say hey take this class hang out how
much it is and then go back to whatever
your small community is and then let
everyone reap the benefits of you go to
this class with discounted prices or how
much of it how much would it matter if
they're open inception the up there on
the content and there's some sort of
batch it says we actually have
you know something approved you know to
conduct folks there
okay we have reached we've reached our
time we are now at 4:40 so this sounds
like a great conversation that might
take place in the buff as well maybe an
organizer pop like somebody wants to put
that on the board
oh you know so this is a last session of
the day aside from lightning talks did
any of you have any final comments
before we take off you have any non
self-promoting final comments anyone who
watches it register for cancer earlier
you obviously got to eat lunch today
[Laughter]
okay I'd like to thank our panel here
Amy Jun Mike April Dan and Kevin for
sitting in and helping us fill this slot
yeah otherwise would have been another
empty room thank you all for asking
[Applause]