Getting your feet wet - you're not alone (a beginner's resource guide)

So again, this this session is getting your feet wet. You are not alone. If you have questions as we go along, please feel free to chime in. Raise your hand and we'll we'll take a Segway. That all the way. So a bit about me. Then. Just kidding. I'm probably more reminiscent of this guy. My name is David Dowell. About 14 years in Drupal. My handle is Wolf. That's a zero. So W01F um on Drupal. Org to an slack. Uh, I work for X, my company's X as a contractor for the FCC. So my, my, my main role is the lead web developer, um, uh, team lead at the FCC. Um, I've also previously worked on projects for the Forest Service and NTIA. So some agency background. Um, before then, I was both a volunteer, and I worked for the agency at Peace Corps, um, in D.C., and I worked with the Jet program in Kobe, um, helping them with their media initiative online lesson project. I love white chocolate cheesecake. I enjoy watching Shingeki. No kyojin. And, uh, I'm married to my wonderful partner Dania, who puts up with all my shenanigans on a regular basis, and I appreciate her very much.

And then this is. That's this guy. Um, and then before all of that, I originally my, my background is in microbiology, virology, immunology and genetics. Um, with a smattering of psychology. Um, that I got those degrees. Those two degrees at the University of Florida. So I mean, that's all nice, but but why is all of this relevant to this presentation at all? And it's because web tech and Drupal communities are all comprised of individuals from from absolutely wonderfully diverse backgrounds. Right? It's it's like Drupal people involved in Drupal and working with Drupal can come from anywhere and start at any time. And that's part of what what what makes Drupal such a, a a vibrant and, uh, diverse and helpful and welcoming, you know, community that, that that drives Drupal as a CMS to be, you know, more accessible. Um, and, and, uh, eventually more powerful than some of its other competitors. Um, Drupal has thrived as an open source project despite the not insignificant, uh, learning curve.

It's notorious for. Um, if you've been around, you probably seen this or a or a similar graphic, um, illustrating kind of you see, the blue, green and red lines below is like some of the other, like I said, competitors or, or same space, you know, CMS and then Drupal is this kind of, you know, like you can kind of get into it, but then very rapidly it becomes, uh, becomes challenging. Um, so despite that learning curve, why is it so popular? Why is why is Drupal still, um, fairly successful? Um. And the answer is because of the community. Because the community is is vibrant. Um, we've got diverse backgrounds, educational like like the one I kind of highlighted with myself. You know, I didn't come from a computer science background or whatever, but I find myself here. Um, but also professional, cultural, socioeconomic, geographic, religious, like, you name it. Like there's that whole community that's behind this and all working together and all kind of accepting and understanding that we've got all these amazing experiences that can contribute to this spectrum of of, you know, support, community contribution and all that, that that guides the project and, and allows us to make better decisions as a whole to, to drive it forward.

Um, and perhaps more importantly, um, for those that are just getting started, that diverse community is open, welcoming and helpful. Okay, so the whole web Drupal thing is still quite a bit daunting. How do how does one tap into that community? How does one get get started with, with those connections? Um, and the answer is, well, if you're in this session or later, you're going to be watching the recording, you're off to a good start. So what we're going to cover, we're going to go over Drupal.org basics resources and utilizing your account. Uh Drupal slack. And then a couple of additional resources. So let's get started. All right, so creating an account with Drupal.org. Um, many people have already done this. It's not that hard to do. You just create an account at, uh, at user register. Um, you fill in a couple initial fields and you're off to the races. Um, you, uh, there's a lot that you can fill in. This is the first basic page. This is the second page. You can see there's quite a few tabs there.

You've got personal information, your language and location. Um, some Drupal specific fields. What previous work and current work you're engaged in? Um. Comments. There's a whole lot. There's a whole lot that you can fill in and and it's all selectively, optionally useful for for what your intended use case and purpose for joining the community is. It's very similar to LinkedIn I find in some respects, but it's just a Drupal version of it. Um, for example, here's my profile. Um, and there's just there's a lot going on that you can that you can do and it's, and it's useful for a couple purposes. Um, if you have, if you build out your profile, it's good for potential hiring agencies that are like doing searches and trying to find you, and they can see what you've done. Um, like, I point to mine just to say, hey, I've done these other projects. You know, these are the the issues that I've worked on or been involved with. Um, it's good for potential clients, you know, who are looking for for, you know, so you you've been working in a web development in a while.

Yeah, I have here's here's some of my here's my page. You know that you can go ahead and check out. Um, it's on a reputable, you know, drupal.org, you know, main site, etc.. Um, it's good for, you know, prospective collaborators as well. Um, and it's also good just for new folks that are looking to for some ideas about what's available and where to begin when you're trying to dive into one of these, like somewhat, you know, complicated and involved, um, whether it's Drupal, WordPress, whatever, just like, where do you even begin? Like there's there's so many points, especially with how complex the web is nowadays. Um, but yeah, here on mine, you can, you can see a couple of different things. I think I'm going to cover cover those in detail later, I guess. Um, so you can check out and customize your, your dashboard. And the dashboard has a, has a bunch of useful stuff on it. Um, so these you'll and mine is actually isn't that customized? Uh, it isn't actually all that customized. You can go through and, and say what panels you want, and you can say, like, you can rearrange them and do all that kind of stuff.

I haven't done any of that. I just make use of the the layout as it came. But I find these particular sections to be the most useful for me. Um, your posts are the are what you've you've starred as the issues that you find relevant or things that you're currently investigating relevant, uh, following or, or you want to know, like what's going on. You can star those and whenever there's an update, it'll pop up to the top of your list. And so just about once a day, every other day I'll come and I'll just control Tab, all those ones and check like what the status and the progress is. And and I find that to be extremely useful. Um, Drupal news. Um, that that that panel, um, block whatever is it's infrequent but important information from the Drupal Association. Um, major releases, event notices. Um, it's not it's not updated very frequently and it just kind of sits there. You don't have to reference it very often. But, you know, I mean, it is just like major announcements that are coming out that you can follow planet Drupal.

However, the one right below that, um, on the default view, is updated very frequently with new stories, tutorials, announcements, anything that's that that's contributed by the larger Drupal community, whether it's agencies or like freelancers or anybody can subscribe and not subscribe, that's the wrong word. They can I forget it, forget the word. It's a process where you just go through a process and say, hey, I've got this feed I want to feed in, and then they'll approve you, and then your content will automatically just be shunted into this list and allow you to post your blogs and all that to the community. Um, I always try to check in with this one. Um, for recent postings, and I find it's really good to stay up to date with, um, shifts in trends, uh, new modules, updated modules, um, just loads of cool stuff. So I check that one every day. And then. And then you like browsing for modules. Is is a is a is a is really cool for for several reasons. Um, generally when I'm browsing, um, on a regular basis, you select the version that you want.

Um, I usually just, you know, you pick the one you're using, I use ten, um, I think I've migrated all my seven, eight and nine over. Um, so I just picked ten. Then you can then then the only other field. I keep it very simple. I do works with and then I do sort by and I vary the sort by either with last release or created date, um, to get those results. And then I just peruse like the, the next, like, you know, 10 to 20 results to see what's there. And that's always very informative as to what people are working on, what new cool features are coming out. Um, it gives me ideas for, for my current sites, future sites, all that, um, oh, wow. And then I have a huge block of text here that I probably already went over. Um, yeah. It just gives you an ideas for new projects, integrations that are coming out. If you're new to Drupal, um, you know, if you're new to Drupal, one of the things you can do is just most installed, and that will give you a good blueprint for starting out a brand new site.

Um, you'll see all the most installed modules that that, for one reason or another, have not yet been incorporated into Drupal Core. And Drupal Core is actually really good. Um, uh, has a really good history of going through the most used modules, like for example, a good example is like views, right? Views was a contrib module in seven. Now it's a core. Um, and if you just starting out like you want all the stuff that comes with core, but then then if you sort, if you just sort by most popular, you'll see the ones also that everybody else is using and then you know, like easy breadcrumb or whatever like that. And it'll give you a good start. Um, and then they just generally follow the 80 over 20 rule, um, for trying to select which ones, uh, eventually do make it into core. Um, this is an example of a of a module page. Um, when perusing the modules, uh, one of the things I find most useful initially is just checking out the issue queue, seeing which issues are being worked on at present, um, what the latest updates are.

You can gauge how well the module is maintained and updated this way. Um, obviously you can research the issues that you're having, see if you find something that somebody has already posted or you know the relevant issue, and you can report new issues and contribute patches, um, to the modules that you want to use or are using to improve their functionality. And that's always appreciated. Um, and you can you can attribute that credit to yourself and or your, or your sponsoring organization, which is really important as well. And again, all this drives that sense of community and and everybody's working on the same kind of thing and, and just makes the whole project as a whole better. Um, when you do find a pertinent issue that you want to follow, it's really easy. There's a green star button there that you just click it and it says following and then you're then you're good to go, then it will show up on that. Your post that I showed earlier on your dashboard. And then, you know, when you're when you're checking on when you when it does post up and when it does post up on your dashboard.

You click it takes you there, scroll, you know, scroll to the bottom. And you can just read the last couple comments and see like if it changed status. Uh, what the work is being done, what the questions are. You can post your own comment. You can post your own, um, you know, patch or update. You know, that's just keeping apprised of what's happening. And then you just enjoy. Then you've got your profile, you're off to the races, you're good to go. Um, easy peasy, pumpkin squeezy. All right. The next. The next one I want to cover is Drupal slack. Drupal. Slack is also very, very important for getting connected, um, getting support, um, finding out information. Uh, the Drupal slack channels, they're a great place to track conversations, uh, ask questions and just seek general guidance and help. The instructions um, can be found at drupal.org. Slash slack. Nice and easy. Uh, to join you just click um the join the link under joining or it's um or you navigate to oh I've got the wrong. So I, I goofed that up.

Good job David I'll fix that later. Um, it'll take you to this page. Um, and here, all you have to do is it's just asking you to agree with the code of conduct. You check that box you put in, it puts in a request. Um, I'm pretty sure that that that request, it's either it used to be manually approved, but they did it pretty quick. I think it might actually be automated now. Um, but you get approved pretty quickly. Then you just log into your slack, then you find the Plus Workspace button, you click that, um, then you then you go to your slack and slack in your browser and you're going to select, select the new one that you want to join. Um, and here you can see a bunch of other options like like I'm subscribed to the CDBG one. That's the one up in Seattle. Uh, I'm on the Vancouver one. Um, there's one for like Ireland, like Drupal Govcon like there's a whole bunch of these different workspaces you can join for different purposes, you know, finding jobs, um, just tapping into those communities, seeing what?

Seeing what they're working on, comparing what one community thinks is its priorities versus another community thinks are the priorities and seeing where those overlap or not. You can be one of those bumblebees they were talking about in that previous session where you can, like, go from one community to another, like helping to spread those ideas. Um, yeah, there's a lot of different options. And then like here, here are some of the channels that I'm subscribed to. Um, lots of different use cases, purposes and all that. Uh, address. Um, there's one for bad camp. Um, charts. Editor five is a big one, um, for Drupal ten, uh, commerce for if you want to get into the, like, the e-commerce space. Uh Composer. Just like you name it, like there's just a ton.

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Um, those are all channels within the Drupal Slack. Yes. Correct. And the way that you can, you can browse them is you go to channels, uh, manage and then browse channels. So you just go to the, the channels thing. There's a little, uh, small down arrow. You click manage browse channels and then a whole list will come up where you, uh, where you search for what you're interested in, and it'll give you all the different options that are, that are available. And then you just click, you click into it and then you click Join Channel at the bottom. So pretty easy and and pretty useful. So now we're going to I'm going to break out of this and see if I can just quickly, very briefly demo this thing. Um, okay. So this is mid camp. Let's go to support. This is Sean. Yeah, okay. So support is the general one. This is like this is like the default like bucket. You can throw anything in here. And so if I have a question that's like hi, does anyone have the example regex code that was shown in that I demo at.

Mid camp yesterday. You just posted a question there and then I might actually going to demo something you really should never do. But I'm going to do it for these purposes. I'm going to go to another one here mid camp, and I'm going to post the same question. And just to reiterate, you should never really do that. Like people will actually call you out if you if you're posting the same question or whatever in multiple channels, you should give it like, you know, at least ten minutes or something to see if anybody comes through before you just blast all the channels with the same thing. But I did it just because, well, I'm giving a presentation. All right. Oh, wonderful. Pretty sure I did this earlier. And it was. There we go. All right. Now we're back to where we were. Look okay. All right. And then so in these channels and this this is I'm going to touch on something else external real quick. But even if you're not looking for a job, even if you're not looking for work, one thing that I would recommend that I like to do is I subscribe or I get all these, um, on all these job sites contracting freelance jobs, jobs hyphen remote jobs, hyphen remote hyphen EMEA, uh, which is the Europe, Middle East, Asia jobs US only remote.

I get on all those and I like to follow them because it gives you a really good overview and understanding of of of the ecosystem as a whole. Right. It tells you like what are agencies, NGOs, universities like, what are they hiring for? How are they expanding? What talents and all that are they they interested in at the moment? Uh, what types of work are they taking on? What kind of clients, what kind of projects? Um, and that just informs you as to like the trends and the shifts in the industry. Right. And not just for Drupal, but for, like, the web as a whole. Um, which, which is, which is really I find it really informative. Like, for example, one of the ones that I've followed recently, um, over the last, uh, you know, couple of years is the headless decoupled, you know, is that is that owning the space? You know, how relevant is that? How much, how much of my time do I need to to, to commit to, to learning this, um, and that and that can go to, you know, any kind of topic that you're, that you're interested in, uh, paragraphs versus layout builder versus Gutenberg.

Uh, you know, how are how are different, uh, roles within the ecosystem changing? You know, back ten years ago, like, I only saw a job like, you know, jobs being advertised for full stack developer LAMP stack, LAMP stack, um, like, you know, just like that. And then it was like junior developer, right? Like, those were like the only ones nowadays it's not. It's like you can be a back end specialist. You can be a front end specialist, you can be a social media specialist, you can be a, you know, obviously a marketing and all that is its own, you know, over there. But then like I'm a Drupal architect and then there's also like organizational, uh, analysts and there's like, you know, there's so many other different kinds of titles and all that that people are advertising for. And it's because the web is just never going to stop becoming more complex. Right? Like the web is never going to get simpler. It's just going to get more complicated. And as it gets more complicated, you're going to get new roles like, you know, artificial intelligence, prompt generator, you know, roles that come up.

And it's important to just be aware of those things. So when you're looking for work or looking for something to do, uh, looking for a hobby, you know what the options are. Uh, another resource that I really like is, uh. Here, I'll scroll back real quick. Is usajobs.gov. If you are a if you are in the US and you're a citizen or a naturalized citizen, um, like, like this is a great resource that I like to use. Um, again, just for seeing like what's out there, what's the federal space doing all that. And I know that if you're not in the US, like most countries like I know, I know Auslan, uh, Australia has its own one. New Zealand has its own one, Ireland has its own one. So any any country or region is going to have its own specialized like search that you can look and see what their, their federal or, or local governments are, uh, are, are looking for they're usually fairly organized, um, in that way. And it might not again, it might not be specific for Drupal. You might see ones for all web development.

But but there's going to be overlaps for all those. And it's. Yeah. Um, so just a couple, um, a couple more additional resources I, I use and I recommend, uh, the weekly drop that's a, that's a published newsletter. Um, it's at, it's at the weekly drop com. Um, if you keep up regularly with the planet Drupal. Um, things that feed into your dot zero, um, dashboard, this one isn't going to be as, as useful. But if you only have time, like once a week or once a month to catch up on, on on stuff, this is a great resource and they'll highlight some of the things that have come out. Um, headlines, articles, tutorials, um, you know, recent, uh, recent releases of popular contributed modules. I think they've even got one called like the 5% or something where it'll highlight like a, a well, uh, supported but potentially like lesser known module that people are using. And I find that one really cool sometimes. Um, they also highlight podcasts, upcoming events like it's a, it's a good, uh, online publication resource.

Um, oh. So like this is a sample article that was, that was on on the weekly drop that that highlights a lot of similar information as, as this talk. I'm just getting started. Um, some tips, some pointers, uh, other resources. Um, the events page on Drupal. Um, getting involved with the community is very important locally. There's usually Lake Drupal meetups, then. Then you go to a higher level and there are like these, these local, these local camps that they do, um, like mid camp, uh, bad camp, uh, there's, there's quite a few others. Um, and, and in every country too. Um, so there's, there's the camps and then there's the, the conventions and there's usually a North American convention. There's a Europe convention. Um, I'm pretty sure they do one in South America and, and, and Asia, uh, like but but, but the events page will give you an overview of, of basically all those I mean here you can see like they're advertising the one coming up in Portland and the one coming up in Barcelona.

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Um, I would love to go to the Barcelona one. But anyway, yeah. So if you're if you're in this talk, you're probably and you're in this room today, you're probably familiar with at least with that page. And the last one is drupal.tv. Um, this one is a really good one. If you're looking for tutorials or, or past sessions at any of the at any of the conferences and most of the camps where they recorded the sessions, you can come here, search and and proves that vast library of recorded videos. Oh, and then if you were in several of the other sessions at this, at this camp, um, you may have heard about Drupal droid as well. Um, this is really cool. It was put together by Michael Myers. Um, I just want to quickly note that it does require, um, you to subscribe to the ChatGPT plus, which is about 20 bucks a month. That's a requirement not just for Drupal droid, but for any of those specialized. Um, what are they? Uh gpts. That people come up with? Like, that's a requirement for that. So just be aware.

But as far as, like a GPT that's specifically trained for helping you, like, manage, uh, navigate, come up with code, check code, anything like that. Like, like this is like the wave of the future. This is cool stuff coming out. Um, scary, but also kind of like, you know, cool stuff. And that's that's the that's the end of it. Thank you. Um, and, uh, questions. Yeah, I blew through that. That was 30 minutes. Um, plenty of time for questions or whatever. If anybody has any or if you'd like me to revisit any of the other slides. Oh, and we can go ahead and check in real quick and see if we got uh oh. We did look at that. And that just happens to be one of my, uh, my mentors on my, on my dashboard page, if you saw. And there it is. Perfect. So like when I get home I'm going to use that and I'm going to maybe even comment back out in this thread and be like, you know, thank you. And, uh, and utilize some of that AI goodness in my projects. So it is, it is it is very useful, obviously, that 1st May have been somewhat staged beforehand, but highly recommend utilizing the community utilizing slack.

Super useful. Okay, now I'll shut up any video. Here for you?

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Um, do you have any recommendations about specific resources specifically for people who are learning twig for theming? Yes. The twig or the theming channels on slack would be a great place to start. Um, Drupal is not is not historically great, but they are getting better at at keeping better documentation for a lot of these like initiatives. And nine and now ten and 11 coming up. So there are like like how to how to start with twig template theming. How does twig you know, how do you how do you do the initial twig files in a custom module. How do you like how do you override twig? How do you override, um, like your your your your core, your base theme twig files and a custom module to do something specific you want? That's all I know. All three of those things I just mentioned have good documentation on Dotto, so I would I would start there, see if you can find relevant information. drupal.org. Yeah. drupal.org. Yes. Thanks. Sorry. Sometimes the shorthand the people I've seen is just d dot oh these people put this is a noob panel man.

No I agree I, I you know yes 100% 100%.

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Yes. Uh, one of the things that I think might be worth mentioning for anybody who wants to like, maybe try learning some of this stuff on social media. Uh, Mastodon is actually like a Drupal Mastodon, what they call it, but like server basically. And so there's a lot of people on there that you can follow, like you can get an account on there for free and, uh, it can be just a great way to sort of like have a bit of a finger on the pulse of like what people are talking about. You can, you know, participate in conversations. So to me, that's a really good one. Um, also it probably they would be mentioned on like the weekly drop or maybe even kind of Drupal as well, but there are podcasts as well that like if you're interested in hearing about, you know, what people are talking about, what they think about the future, you know, all that kind of stuff. There are multiple podcasts. So absolutely, I, I'd, uh, check out some of those. They occasionally have, like speakers like Dory's even and all that to come in and answer questions and all that.

So for sure, absolutely. 100%. And then Mastodon is just up and coming, you know, like with the decline of Twitter or whatever it is. Yeah, Mastodon is on its way up as well for sure. Thank you. Any other questions? Comments? I've learned a lot from you. To me. Um. You know. I'm seeing that right. But I'll bet everybody knows what I'm talking about. The training thing online. Um, and I wonder if there's anything else like that. From you to me. Yeah, well. I mean, you to me has a whole bunch of different courses on a number of different subjects, including a lot of Drupal and also dealing with. Anything else like that? I'll tell you where not to look. Is LinkedIn learning slash Lynda? I've been disappointed with the offerings on there. Yeah, I didn't include it in this presentation, but Stack Overflow and IRC channels used to be the way to go. But what I don't find, they're the source for like, super relevant information anymore. But yeah, the one you mentioned was you to me. Is that the number two to me?

Almost like Academy, but just a new to me. Udemy. Yeah. Oh, okay. You didn't. I've been using a safe. Drupal I stopped me that my. Has a bunch of suits for. I found that pretty good. Yeah, there's code Academy. There's there's a there are there. Are quite a few. Most agencies actually have some kind of like learning resource, whether it's a blog or it's a, it's a, it's a learning learning series or something like that. Um, yeah. And a lot of those articles are captured on the Drupal planet or something like that. So you can get your feet wet in one of those. And then if that takes you down a direction that that is useful to you, you can explore it further. Okay. Well, that was, uh, my presentation in three minutes of questions. Uh, any any any last call before in the in the recording. Cool. Yeah, cool. Nice job. I have one more. I actually have one more. Um. So. Yeah. Please. We got plenty of time. Yeah. I'm not trying to rush this along. I want to get rid of my crappy Squarespace site because I'm.

And there was there was a group talking about posting your own Drupal site yesterday and like, do you like if you're a learner and you want like a Drupal site that you could just, you know, destroy but don't necessarily do it, want to do it locally, are there good options? Yeah. There's uh, what's the name of the. One where you can you can it's it's a, it's a, it's a standing Drupal instance. And you can get on to test different modules and all that. It's called something simply test. Simply test me. Right. Oh there's. Like Drupal. Drupal pods. Yeah. So there's ways you can test specific things like that. But if you're actually looking to like, own your own, like almost any hosting provider like, uh, Bluehost, uh, SiteGround go to like whatever they all have like really low tier, like really inexpensive shared hosting that you could, you could do and then and then just you'd still have to get set up with like an IDE and all that to, to be able to, to install the basic Drupal profile. Um, but I know that there's tutorials and all that for that stuff as well, but that would be, that would be how you start.

You start off with just somewhere or even on your local development, on your, on your, on your local laptop, spinning up a very basic site and then playing around with, with the modules. And yeah, that's what I've been doing. Um, I was kind of thinking like, how can I host a Drupal site without having to do all the security patches by myself all the time? So automatic updates is coming in 11. So that'll help you with just being current with your security. And then if you're doing a new site, you're going to be on Drupal ten or whatever anyway, so you won't have to worry about, you know, Drupal getting bugs that happen previously. Um, and if you're on hosting, if you're on hosting, which has a CDN or any of those other like, you know, like secondary mitigation, you know, whatever things like that's going to provide additional security. Um, but then I guess it does depend on, like, you know what, your content, you know, who's coming after you, what's what PII are you putting on there? Like, you know, as you dive further into it, you just have to be aware of what you have on there.

And then what's your level of exposure is and then what mitigation tools and methods and all that you need to employ so that you know you're safe. But I mean, it is it's 2020 for the web is a wild, wild west of. Yeah. So I mean there's like, yeah, you could probably populate the next ten years with security discussions. Sort of mentioned it, but SiteGround. They've got an intro thing for hosting. It's like $5 a month or less. Yeah. And then as soon as you pay for the hosting, they'll let you have a domain. And it's a joke domain name that you wouldn't keep forever, but it has all the same security features that would be. And so if you're looking to check security just to see if anyone else can threaten you or something, that would be a perfect way to do it. Absolutely. But yeah. But most hosting providers are trying to provide some kind of like ease in, you know, they want your business, so they're going to make it. They're going to try to make it as easy as possible for you to get something up and running and, and testable.

Um, yeah, I guess I was thinking about I was in Angie's panel yesterday and he was like, don't do your hosting yourself if you can avoid it. Like find somebody who does Drupal hosting and does all the security updates. But he didn't mention any specific providers that he thought were good for that. They're all they're all good and bad for different reasons. I keep jumping from one to another as their customer support gets gets worse over time. But and you're never going to get away from that either. Um, but I would say, like I've been doing Drupal now for 14 years to varying degrees of success. And and I'm still exploring my options for self hosting, you know, like with using Digital Oceans even, which has some Drupal specific config that they do Amazon Web Services going into like an EC2 or ECS, you know, bucket or whatever, just the the amount of config you have to do. Um, for, for mail servers, other servers, you know, anything, any, any of that stuff, it adds a lot of like that's, that's there are DevOps people for that.

Right. So if you if you want to take that on, you just have to be aware of that is a large chunk. So for most cases it does make more sense. Um, and a lot of in a lot of cases it makes sense to, to get a hosting platform that does a lot of that out of the box for you to get started. And then you can go and, you know, make loads of money and hire lots of people to do that stuff for you.

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Just to answer your question about the. It has a lot of courses about. So just for the. Recording, two other options they came up or or resources were were was the first one. Drupal UI Drupalize.me is a good one. And then Coursera is that era. Is there a hyphen?

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No, it's Coursera. Only money. Okay course and then RA Coursera. All right. And then the other one was Udemy. udemy.org. Dot com. Dot something okay cool. All right last last call for questions for the recording. Thank you all so much for coming. Until next time.