Community Growth And Engagement

TARA:
Bob, I don't have a specific strong agenda at all, and I know yours was a little more, I think Drupal community focused mind was just kind of like community management in general.

BOB:
OK.

TARA:
I am totally happy to, like, drive the conversation and have a presentation or anything. If you have a question you want to kick it off with, I'm quite flexible.

BOB:
So, I mean, I can kick it off, I guess. I'm going to... let me go ahead and share my screen because I've got a note stock up here. Does everybody have the link to that? It's in the chat. I can copy it back and again. And we just got out of the conversation, April and Abby and I and a few other folks were there and part of our coverage, our conversation was more around a virtual conference and tools and tricks and tips and all that kind of thing. Part of what we talked about was local user group engagement. And that was really the focus of the session that I posted. And what we were doing, the planning, it sounded like these two sessions the one that King Tara had posted and the one that I had posted could both be incorporated in the same one. So that's basically all I had. I was really specifically thinking when I posted mine about how do I get more people involved to help grow the Drupal community and particularly local user groups that we have. And then around the Chicago area, we've got Chicago Drupal user group that is unmanned right now.

So we're kind of taking a little hiatus until we can find people who are willing to throw down and or help organize that. And then I organize one out in the St. Charles far west suburban area of Chicago called Fox Valley Drupal. And we always struggle with getting speakers and having content and all that type of thing. So the latest thing that we've been trying to do is use a kind of an initiative for Drupal recipes to be our kind of content guide as we've been building that. And that's going moderately well, more because there's not enough people working on it. But that's what we've been doing. So now I'm going to shut up and just take notes. Am I sharing my screen? I am, alright. Yes, that's good. OK, cool. And I see Joe has joined us, too, Katie, Leslie, do we want to go around maybe and talk about why people are in this session and what you might want to talk about? I started already. Who's next?

TARA:
I'll go next. I wanted to have a session about community stuff because it's just all I ever think about really any more in Drupal spaces. At Pantheon, I run our community programming, so in the past two years made us switch from just like enthusiastic community member to professional community manager, which has been an interesting journey. I mean, leadership positions in various ways in the community, and so it's always just kind of a topic in general that I'm happy to talk about, make space for and hear what people are struggling with and how we might all come together. I'm Tara. I just noticed I didn't say that. I'm in Albuquerque, New Mexico. (UNKNOWN). And I'm the leader of Drupal diversity and inclusion. I think that's the thing I do most community wise in the Drupal space. Yeah, Katie and I worked together, shoulders or stuff, I'm sure later. But we manage the Pantheon community, too, so that's kind of all the different places. And Albuquerque has a very small Drupal users group that hasn't met in a while 18 months, I don't know if it really even counts at this point, if they're still is one, but I've always been interested in getting that back up and running too.

APRIL:
I can go next, I guess. I'm April from Asheville, North Carolina, and I work for a (UNKNOWN) and I'm also the director of Drupal Camp Asheville and I work with the Drupal Community Working Group, Community Health Team. It's a long acronym. And I guess some of the things that I'm interested in, we used to have a local meetup group, but it would end up being just me and one other person. And so we just... we haven't done anything, of course, during the pandemic. But also just organizing the camp really is my focus. I'd like to bring everybody to Asheville. So our users locally are very small in numbers. And so the focus, you know, to not burn out is the focus on the event, the annual event. But I'm also interested in how do we engage. Like new developers or people, you know, like engaging students who are learning code and and engage them and bring them into the community. And how to reach out to them and and make them think I mean, make them, like, convince them that Drupal is the space for them, right?

Like, how do we reach out to them in a way that that brings them into the community, I guess.

AVI:
I can go kind of following up on that, I'm Avi Schwab. I'm the leader of my camp for 2021 to 2022 and I'm going to keep saying that so that I make it happen for real. But yeah, anyway, I work for the YMCA national office that's been fun, but, yeah, endurable and I have been doing (UNKNOWN) and I've also been involved in that as an organizer working group. So we're also kind of starting an initiative to try to get more consistent, like onboarding, messaging, out at camps, so I kind of brought this up the end of the last session. We can talk about it more, but yeah, it seems like there are a lot of places kind of doing this triple specific onboarding and a lot of need because we're all agreed that we're all getting old and need new people. So that's kind of where my focus was. But I've also been thinking about this from the smaller side with work. I like, it's gotten involved in the open white community, which is a really big community of YMCA is they are all using the (UNKNOWN) that's at this point one of the biggest (UNKNOWN) out there and running a service platform and trying to kind of figure out the right balance of community things for that, too.

So, (UNKNOWN).

LESLIE:
I can go next. I'm Leslie, I'm from Boston. So I'm one of the organizers of design for Drupal and also New England triple camp, I'm with Avi on the event organizers working group board. I'm also on the DA board of directors community elected for that. So I'm here basically, I mean, I think it's been great the last year. I think there's a lot of virtual meet ups that I've been able to attend and meet a lot of people that I haven't in the past, because obviously I can't go to San Francisco and just drop into their meet up once a month. I also help with the Boston meet up, by the way, so we still have a virtual monthly meetup. We are definitely down in numbers compared to what we had in person, but we've had people join us from all over the globe that we wouldn't have had otherwise. So I think my focus in joining today was just to see what other people have for ideas for growing the community. I'm thinking globally, growing the community, bringing in people who are Drupal users, who are not part of the community, who don't even know what a great thing that Drupal community is.

And April said, how can we get more students and younger folks involved with the community to help with burnout, to help take over all these camps and help run, organize things and, you know, be the next generation to facilitate the growth of Drupal? That's all I have.

MATTHEW:
I guess I'll go next. I'm Matthew Redcliffe and I'm true to words live in Columbus, Ohio. I wish I had time to do more Drupal engagement than I do now. And last year has been pretty tough on me. The central Ohio group has hasn't met in five years, six years, except for the university. So that's one thing in my local community, I look to look towards the university group that they've been meeting well and I struggled with, since there aren't a lot of bigger agencies or there's not really a place to meet, that is some knowledgeable company. And, you know, I struggled with kind of an image problem PHP and Drupal and in the area, the local areas of JavaScript and dot net and Java are pretty big in this area, in this region. And it's often difficult to be honest with myself and say, hey, I represent the Drupal Community I'm a mentor and coordinator for (UNKNOWN). Here's what we do. We have a lot of cool things because sometimes I feel a little embarrassed because some people just start trashing PHP or Drupal something like that.

Jen Lambton mentioned in a mid-cap key notes from, I don't know, several years ago, I'm sorry for rambling, but I one thing that she always... she mentioned I tried to say was to be proud of PHP. And so I even though trying to do that, it's still sometimes difficult to to organize locally and connect with people. So that's kind of I'm here to listen and (UNKNOWN)

JOE:
Hi, I'm Joe. I live in Minneapolis, Minnesota. I have in the past been pretty active in our local community. Like, it sounds like many others that has been less active in the last year. I've helped to organize the Twin Cities Drupal camp in the past, though in recent years my role is become more of like answering the questions about like, why does this thing work this way from 10 years ago? And I'm like, let me tell you about why we have that ridiculous feature on our website. I didn't have anything specific I wanted to get out of this session, I've always found community to be fascinating. I am a big proponent of trying to help create spaces where people feel welcome and engaged and like that. Try to contribute in that way to Drupal whenever I get the chance. Yeah.

DAN:
I'll go after Joe because I'm only a couple of miles across the river and down the street in St. Paul, Minnesota, I'm Dan. And yeah, we haven't done much in the last year to year so, especially with a pandemic in the Twin Cities. But I've been a long time member of the Twin Cities Drupal group as well. I kind of became the leader of the monthly like just hanging out of the bar for a few hours or taproom or something. So that's kind of like what I do in the community so far. But I definitely also interested in just understanding, you know, how we can improve the community as well and being part of that discussion. And I also work at Pantheon as customer success Engineer, so helping customers with issues so.

KATIE:
I'm happy to go next, Tara Cath blew my cover. I am on Tara's team, the community team at Pantheon as one of her direct reports. So I'm here for Tara, but also because I really passionately love communities. I'm from the WordPress community. Joining Pantheon has brought me into the Drupal space. So I'm very, very new here. I have been around the WordPress community, at least for more than a decade, organized several of our local camps in western Michigan. So across a lake and a state from Joe and Dan. I yeah, like I said, I'm really excited about communities learning some of the similarities and differences from between the two, WordPress and Drupal communities and kind of seeing how my background with WordPress can be translated and brought us... and bring in some energy into the Drupal space.

AVI:
WordPress, people we like, WordPress, people too. We might not like the website, but their community is awesome.

KATIE:
Well, good, at least I'm not a website of a person, so it works out (LAUGHS).

AVI:
There were a bunch of Word Press people that came to Drupal family two, three years ago, talked about a (INAUDIBLE)

KATIE:
I would love for that to happen more often. I know it feels the same way. I'm really excited about very similar technologies and very similar trains of thought as far as open web. And it would be really fun to get together more often.

BOB:
I don't think we've heard from David yet. David Wong?

DAVID:
My name is David Wong, I know some of the people on this call. I'm a long retired Drupal community organizer that was heavily involved for a number of years with camp out in California. But I've retired because I'm a dad now and I'm just popping in between meetings at my day job because it's California and I'm still working and I don't get the day off to say hi.

JOE:
Hi, David. My favorite parts about this conversation so far are I'm retired because I'm a dad now and I'm not a website, I'm a person. I'm learning a lot from this session. It's awesome.

AVI:
I think we need to capture over recording, too, so it's perfect. I didn't know you could do that, by the way, retire once you get that off the ticker.

KATIE:
I would also like to retire. I'm not a dad, but I've got a couple of kids.

MATTHEW:
I think if we remember, I think it was the board, the Drupal board meeting in Amsterdam. Holly was talking about community engagement and she had an idea, but I'm not sure if I was listening correctly. Maybe it is a different idea, but it was kind of like ambassadorship program about trying to reach out and represent the general community in other spaces, is it just me or somebody else remember that? I just, I'm sorry.

AVI:
No, I heard about the Drupal ambassador thing, but I felt like it was something different.

MATTHEW:
Yeah.

LESLIE:
Right, and I've heard it several times, Matthew, as well amongst the community. I don't recall Holly Session specifically, but the ambassador program, with what you're saying to promote Drupal, you know, to either other groups is something that is has been discussed.

MATTHEW:
I'm sorry. Did I say Holly, I meant (UNKNOWN)

LESLIE:
OK, alright, so, now I definitely remember I didn't remember Holly doing it. (CROSSTALK) what would you think that that program would look like, Martha or anybody, in terms of, you know, what would an ambassador role be?

MATTHEW:
I feel like, now, being able to represent the community, the Drupal community events that are not Drupal. And (UNKNOWN) for like WordPress community coming in or JavaScript or (UNKNOWN). There's a lot of large conferences which unfortunately are a lot more expensive than Drupal camp where I don't feel like I see any representation from from our communities.

LESLIE:
Yeah, that's interesting. Many years ago, Boston used to have a Boston PHP meet up once a month and I used to go and try to promote Drupal heavily. You know, I promote all the events and tell them all about Drupal and bring in speakers for Drupal but then they kind of faded and stopped having their meetings. But I think you're talking about something similar to that. But also globally, I think there's a big need for Drupal ambassadors to go into areas that Drupal isn't as popular. So, you know, not necessarily reaching out to other communities, but just reaching out and letting folks in technology in general know more about Drupal.

MATTHEW:
I try and share what we've learned as a community with how we contribute to open source and the scaling issues that we've seen and being kind of on our own in our own space, which I think a lot of people are very interested in.

JOE:
It seems like ambassador to me is like a role that you would want in organization like the Drupal Association to fill and not necessarily individual people. And like, you know, it's like no one person is a... like each of us is from the Drupal community, but, you know, who am I to speak for the Drupal community as a whole? Who is anyone, I guess. But I think the idea of having ways to... that we can help support people who want to go out and talk about Drupal in NonDrupal spaces and share lessons that the Drupal community has learned or, you know, go to like JavaScript beat ups and talk about Drupal as a useful tool e.t.c. could be a awesome way to grow the community and get more people interested.

APRIL:
You know, they had that... they had a slide deck for promoting Drupal, but it was promoting it to... for people to adopt like in a business. And I always wanted, like, some resource that you could take into a classroom in front of a classroom that would say, like, this is what it is to be a developer in Drupal. But something that we can all just share this sorts already put together, you know, what the shared information that we want to all collectively share with new developers. And then you could just take it and run with it. But I don't think any movements happened on that at all, to my knowledge.

AVI:
So that's part of what we're trying to do with the event organizer group. If you scroll up, there's that link that I dropped in (CROSSTALK) No, no, like up, up at the top, (CROSSTALK) So, I mean, kind of and Leslie, like, did this with the Drupal road show too. But so far we've done a bunch of ideas and thoughts and brainstorms in here. But the plan for this initiative is that like Leslie and I and Matthew Saunders and Suzanne are involved in so far is to create some structured set of documents that the community can share to promote Drupal at the... on corporate level. And I mean, I think in general, like I've been involved, you know, I have some investment in this, but I think, like the fact that some of the things we're doing on the event organizer working group are just getting off the ground after like 20 years is a thing. We still haven't figured out how to have cohesive messaging in Drupal and do things together. And I think that's one of... the that's one of the big hurdles that we keep running into is just like, we're you know, we're great at reusing each other's code, but like, we're in the last couple of years, we just started collaborating more on events and on more community messaging and stuff like that, and it's an uphill battle.

BOB:
Are there multiple groups on that level, doing the same thing like the promote... isn't there a... promote your bold initiative going on right now too?

AVI:
Yeah, and that's what I was thinking about, but promote Drupal is, as far as I understand, not being involved with that promote Drupal is specifically targeted towards like corporate entities like encouraging to adopt Drupal sites, it's not targeted to people, to getting people involved in Drupal. And that's what we're trying to figure out.

BOB:
Yeah.

LESLIE:
You know, one thing I just want to say, Joe, you mentioned that the DA maybe the best ambassador and I think everybody in this on this call is an ambassador. I think, Joe, the stuff you do in documentation, Tara, the stuff that you do with DEI and everybody else on this call with running the events and everything, I think you're all ambassadors. I think we just kind of have to maybe formalize a program where we share where we're going to go, how we're going to, you know, not promote Drupal just as a server (UNKNOWN) that's a little bit different focus. But how are we going to let folks globally know about Drupal. So thank you. Everybody is an ambassador. So I think that's great that you're all involved in doing that.

APRIL:
And may be some training for people who are interested in being an ambassador, but want to make sure they're doing it in the right way and they're like actually representing the community and may be a gateway to being an official ambassador so that we know that the people who are doing this in a more official way are the people we want to be doing it and they're doing it right.

AVI:
And that's exactly like a pyramid scheme, basically, of trainee trainer pyramid scheme kind of thing is exactly what we had in mind for this. So like that, yeah, the thought was that, like, we would try to get something together from a camp and then like basically pass this on from camp to camp and as each camp implements it, we can improve on it, teach more people kind of build it.

BOB:
Yeah, and we got at least as far as to promote with a few other folks that we have contact with, and I'm not really sure how successful that is. We didn't really have a mechanism to measure whether or not we had any impact. I don't think we've looked at like the total registration, for instance, and said, "That person is from there and that person's from there." We haven't really evaluated that yet, so. And we didn't do as great a job as... at least I didn't do as great a job as I had hoped I could and getting out to different groups that we've identified. But we did try.

AVI:
I mean, there are one other words that I have said before, and I'll say again, because they're slightly different people, is that. A lot of other countries now have these local Drupal associations. The US has never had any even inkling of a US based. Drupal Community Support Organization.

BOB:
Is that because we're looking to the D.A. to be that for us or?

AVI:
No, it's because we're America. I think it's... I think it's because, you know, just like a lot of other things with us, right, we're so spread out and so diverse that, I think coming to some of those consensus is been hard, having been on a lot of these calls.

LESLIE:
Isn't a local association in the United States or North America really just, you know, Drupal up in Canada or, you know, boot camp or bad camp or I mean, those are local groups that do meet ups, that they would do different things, they promote Drupal in their community. So I kind of look at those all as local associations in my mind. At least they do the same thing that a local associate doesn't do, the financial necessarily that maybe some of those other local associations do. But people have set up their own local funding sources.

BOB:
You know, if you think about the structure, quote unquote, or on structure that we have right now, it's really more the larger camps and the over the longer term camps and the various user groups that are around the country that are ambassadors and. That's kind of that's always been my focus, is, you know, getting to know people locally that you can actually interact with, have conversations with and then we kind of we have a sister meetup group that's more general technology that also has a lot of cross pollination going on with those two groups. So we've got a lot of WordPress people in that and a lot of like JavaScript developers and other folks in there as well. So that's been our kind of approach out in the Fox River Valley. And I'd like to know more about what some other user groups are doing that way. To help promote Drupal in different opportunities that it has.

JOE:
In the Twin Cities, we've tried a handful of times to like, organize things with other events in the Twin Cities, sort of like the Twin Cities work camp and JavaScript events, where we'll sort of have like a reciprocal we can have a table at your event. You can have a table at our event as an opportunity for us to both promote the Twin Cities Drupal camp and just Drupal in general. And what we've... it's been a while since we've tried that but what we had found is that, like other events were generally pretty open to doing something like that, to allowing us as another community group like access to... if they had a space for sponsors with tables or whatever to come and promote our event, but it was really hard for us to actually get anyone to go set up the table because, you know, I think for a lot of reasons, but it's like because they would have to miss a day of work to go to an event that maybe they didn't have any plans or interest in going to in the first place. And you know, just the kind of the challenge there was actually getting someone to go do the work of promoting Drupal at somebody else's event.

But it seems like if you know, like there's an opportunity to try to come up with a solution for that and being able to go to attend word camp and have there be a table there where people are talking about Drupal and you can ask questions or go to a JavaScript event and have someone promoting Drupal and why you might want to look at that as an option for your project. But I don't know, there's something that we've tried that felt like this could be successful, but ultimately it is difficult to get unpaid volunteers to volunteer their time to go to sit at a table and promote a piece of software.

BOB:
Yeah, that is a tough ask.

AVI:
Yeah. (UNKNOWN) wrote in chat how the US based Drupal association or local association be meaningfully different from the DCI or the Drupal association. And I think part of the challenge that the Drupal association has had over the years is it's supporting smaller events in significant ways. It sounds like that's what some of the other associations are doing, like as I said we've kind of formed, like most of the (UNKNOWN) alliance, which is the physical agent for mid camp. And there's like nerd, which is kind of the agent for a number of other things, like open collective. So there are a number of kind of disparate organizations that are providing the support for smaller events in the US. And and so those are the kind of things that I could see. Collaboration is full on, and again, the DEA had like a funding program, like a physical agency program for that that they discontinued a couple of years ago. They've been working really hard to promote Drupal community events. And we've done a lot of work with them getting the new community pages up on events that drew a lot of research community in such events and also like working on events that took a lot of work and putting community stuff there.

But apart from basic marketing, I don't think the D.A. has a lot of resources to spend on community events. So that's kind of the (INAUDIBLE).

MATTHEW:
I am reminded a little bit of a quote from Bebchuk Byron, who mentioned it a little fast. I asked her about how how do we attract more people. And I replied, It's kind of funny. Let's get another young, which is how it works for her. She was interested as a as a when she was younger. And that was that was her answer to that. So it might tie back towards the education standpoint of how do you communicate towards students and about what your thoughts are about what we can do that.

APRIL:
I feel like Emmy June even had a program that she was doing with someone else in a high school like and I think it was Drupal focused. I may need to ask her about that, but I don't know if she would have, you know, like a curriculum or anything like that, they were using to teach kids Drupal in high school, I don't know.

AVI:
Yeah. There have been a couple initiatives over the years, I know some of the Palantir folks a couple of years ago had an initiative where they were working with folks in a boot camp or some other like some programming outside of Drupal that was helping people get considerable space

MATTHEW:
They were invited to mid camp as well, and they attended alright?.

AVI:
Yeah, they were invited to mid camp and they got like scholarships to (UNKNOWN)

MATTHEW:
Do you know how that... how any... if there is any follow up or where they are now?

AVI:
I don't. I'm going to find the link to that. I think everybody involved, everybody that I know of who is at Palantir, who is involved has left Palantir.

TARA:
There (CROSSTALK) to take it outside of Palantir after that time, but, the last I heard about it was Seattle at the most recent, and I think it was like tree house had picked it up. That's about all I know. I don't know how it went.

AVI:
I remember a tree house getting involved and then I never heard anything since.

BOB:
I kind of feel like there's there's so many, like little initiatives going on around the community to either put together a training set of training tools or a set of of curriculum or all the documentation stuff. Nobody nobody seems to have an idea of where everything is and they're all over the place and they're very fragmented. So how much duplication do we have out there? I have no idea, but I bet it's massive.

LESLIE:
Yeah. I think there's been a big emphasis from Jennifer, Joe and everybody else who has worked on documentation to try to put a lot of... you know, try to update a lot of the information they're trying to, you know, get rid of duplicates and try to make that a really good resource for people. So I think they've made a great start.

BOB:
It's awesome. I mean, it's so much better than it ever has been. It's really gotten a lot more cleaned up.

MATTHEW:
Whenever I have a small amount of time, I try and get one of those, the task... computer task pages and trying to solve one of those out, you know, trying to get that information out of the old handbook pages and update it is as important. So it's not a scattered...

AVI:
I'm going to keep being David's mouth just incase people are reading the chat. He said what he's been working on is a pitch for Drupal that gonna meet a need, perhaps uniquely, that folks have. And then it's hard to make this pitch to kids except in an orthogonal fashion like this can get you a great job or it can lead to doors opening for you, because unfortunately, this is the easiest way to get things done. The web isn't true for the most part anymore. And I agree like the.

JOE:
I was thinking about, like, you know, I don't think you would go to a high school and be like, you want to take a class on learning how to build websites, OK? Like we're going to build it with Drupal. And they would be like. Sold right there. This seems like a really complicated way to put something on the Internet and that, you know, it's maybe in that scenario like Drupal is a thing that they should learn about and that it exists. And like they use cases that it solves really well. But it's like one of many tools that they get to learn about. And then later on, you know, when they encounter that problem, they go, "I remember Drupal is the solution to this problem." And then they use it and it works really well. And, you know, now they're more engaged in the community because they've used it and but trying to go out and sell Drupal as like you should learn Drupal because it's the solution for everything and you'll get all the jobs is not true.

AVI:
Well, those are two different pitches.

JOE:
Yeah.

AVI:
(CROSSTALK) you'll get all the jobs right, because, Suzanne, Suzanne had a slide in the presentation that she did on Wednesday that was like here are the salaries for Drupal developers. And that's a really powerful statement. Like I mean, we've got I haven't even looked but like that, just the job boards, like the need is is there like just pitching, like you want a job here are like we're you know, we're we're, Jesus. There are 20 jobs on our job board, more than 20 jobs on our job board right now, and like that's from... that's from like a dozen sponsors, which is like a tiny subset of Drupal space like.

APRIL:
There's also like a uniqueness, I think, to our community and we can say this and be like, we're all old. So how would, you know these kids don't wanna come hang out with a bunch of old people that, like, we have this uniqueness of we're like one of the larger open source communities. And I think we are a unique, unique community. You know, hanging out with other people in different spaces is not the same as Drupal. And so how do we, how do we, I guess, promote even the the importance of community, a sense of community in the code that you're using as well, like how all that works together and how and the benefit of using Drupal in that sense for a young developer.

BOB:
I love hearing April say we're all old. Poor April, she's so old.

APRIL:
How old do you think I am because I am turning 40 this year?

BOB:
(LAUGHS) Man, if you think you feel old. (LAUGHS)

APRIL:
You're just talking about how to bring in young people, I mean, if we say the community is why you come in and then it's just like we've all been in the community so long that they feel like outsiders or they don't find that same connection that we find, then it becomes a hurdle. And to you know, it's going to be a new community but you want like the people who are here now to be able to , I guess, display the culture to , you know, carry on that culture and pass it on to younger people so that they can continue to have the same kind of culture.

BOB:
Yeah.

DAN:
I think what April's saying makes a lot of sense, and I think part of the issue and it gets back to what Joe was saying to part of the issue is, is that when we... when some of us maybe started 10, 15 years ago making websites, that was the only way to get information out on the Internet. And now the Internet has changed so much that there's all these great platforms you can, you know, basically build a website for free or, you know, get your message out there for free using Facebook or Twitter or other social media and things. And most of us didn't exist as much. So I think that that's one way that thing has changed. Even just lots of companies just almost don't have a website anymore or they make it on Squarespace for a few bucks, you know, and. Yeah, I think that sort of Joe's point really comes back to is like, you know, this is the tool that you need for some specific things and they have to know when that is, you know.

APRIL:
I think we're at time if anybody wants to wrap things up.

AVI:
I just link Suzanne's stuff in the dark. And I'm going to Margaret's to...

MATTHEW:
I did find that the timestamp on the YouTube public board meeting, where there is a question about how Drupal's engaging with different open source communities. So there is something that I have gone back to. Listen to all of it though.

BOB:
Well, I'm sure the conversation will continue. Not in the space, but it will continue. I mean, there's definite benefit to getting new people involved in the community and getting the young people involved in the community is probably the best timing. There's also, I think, an opportunity for us to get people involved that are newly coming from another industry or another space, because there's a lot of people wanting to retrofit their lives now, maybe they're unemployed or underemployed or trying to figure out what they're going to do next. I think we're going to be in a situation for a couple of years here anyway, where people are looking for opportunities.

MATTHEW:
(CROSSTALK) Next step for those who might be interested in exploring ways of promoting Drupal, not as marketing but promoting Drupal for education and for interest (CROSSTALK)

BOB:
Is that already going on Avi, the group that you're involved in, on the with Drupal O'Connor through the DA or whatever that initiative is, is that?

AVI:
Yes, so we're... it's through the event organizers working group and going to put a link to all things in here. So we have some regular meetings. And there's a separate slack where those are happening.

LESLIE:
Right, the next open meeting for the event organizers working group is on the 13th at 7:00 a.m. Eastern time. We try to rotate every other time so that globally it's a time that folks can hopefully join. So everybody, an event is not a camp or a car necessarily. It's a meet up. It's somebody that, you know, Pantheon has Tara, the community engagement manager there or I'm sorry, the title is incorrect, but it's anybody that's involved with the community is welcome to join that. So an event is is really anything, it's not don't think of it just as you know, people that don't run camps can't come. We love input from everybody. And you don't have to come every month. Just drop in when you want to. But we discuss things like we've been discussing today.

BOB:
What was the time again?

LESLIE:
At 7:00 a.m. on the 13th of April.

BOB:
Easter.

LESLIE:
Easter. Correct.

AVI:
Yeah, we've been alternating noon and midnight GMT UTC. So you the onboarding initiative is the right place to continue.

LESLIE:
That's yeah, that's one of our initiatives. We have the onboarding one. We have the event, you know, as we said, updating the event study Durrow and the just the community events page. That's a different initiative. And then we have a third initiative that's looking at the camp starter kit for Web sites. So there's this many places there. But yeah, the onboarding one is the closest to what we've been talking about today. And we're looking for volunteers to join these different initiatives as well. So...

APRIL:
Thanks for starting the onboarding on. That sounds... that sounds awesome.

BOB:
Sounds good.

AVI:
It was it was literally like, I want to get this stuff (UNKNOWN). So I will be able to help me. But yeah, we need to talk more, April, I mean, I'm going to say this at the end of each session.

APRIL:
Well, the next one I'm going to is I think I'm going to go to the mentorship one next. That seems like a natural path for this kind of discussion. But everyone's welcome to their own next session.

BOB:
So thank you for.